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Top 10 Reasons Why Desktop Linux Failed
Datamation ^ | 11 July 2018 | Matt Hartley

Posted on 07/12/2018 6:56:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: AppyPappy
Actually it is. If you don’t believe it, don’t do it and just use the OS

No, sorry. A Windows computer has the OS pre-installed. At the factory they do a full install in a special mode of operation (I can't remember the term offhand) where they preinstall the OS and whatever software comes from the factory with the system, without doing any of the customizations you'd do at first boot.

The stuff you do at first boot is just configuration on an already installed OS. You can tell by how you can get through that stuff in a couple of minutes. A real, full dress OS installation would take way longer (SSDs have cut this time down a good bit).
81 posted on 07/12/2018 10:32:21 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: JamesP81

Windows 10 is pre-loaded on a machine. The configuring is part of the install.
We have truly *pre-installed* Unix VM’s. All you do it bring them up and start working. You don’t have to do anything to make them work.


82 posted on 07/12/2018 10:38:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: AppyPappy
I just installed a Windows 10 machine. It made me configure the settings for the install. To a non-technical person, that is an install because they have to answer “technical” questions.

To those of us who do this for a living, words mean things. If you start saying phrases like "install the OS" that actually means something very specific, and is not a general phrase that means "configure this thing so I can look at Facebook."

How are choosing your language, choosing a user account name, and choosing a time zone "technical" questions? Those are not technical questions. Technical questions would be "do you want IPv6 and IPv4 enabled on your NICs, or IPv4 only?" or "do you prefer manufacturer's drivers or reference drivers for your video card?" etc. No questions like this are being asked when you unbox a new laptop from Wal Mart or Dell.
83 posted on 07/12/2018 10:38:21 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: JamesP81

“Big software makers won’t write software for an architecture that changes on a frequent basis with no standards.”

I agree. Until they do, Linux is useless to me.


84 posted on 07/12/2018 10:48:41 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: ShadowAce

No one needs Windows gaming, it’s a choice, not a requirement for sustaining life.


No one needs most of the things they enjoy. Your inner nanny is showing.


85 posted on 07/12/2018 10:49:48 AM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: TheStickman

Problem with Linux is that the rules of open source dictate that standards cannot be made and enforced. IOW, those standards, are not going to happen.

Android is an example of what happens when a company picks up Linux and does enforce standards. That turned out rather well, but Android OS doesn’t have every random programmer who had an idea pop into his brain able to change the OS with his own updates.

Linux is just too fragmented to be used in a desktop OS capacity. As a server, some of the enterprise products like Red Hat are pretty slick...but you’ll note that that is another situation where someone picked up Linux and enforced some standards.


86 posted on 07/12/2018 10:52:46 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: JamesP81

Virtually every distribution of Linux pulls its’ baseline kernel source code from Redhat SE Linux which was sponsored and created and continues to be sponsored and supported by the National Security Agency.

I retired after 33 years in the IT business. I refused to work with Microsoft the entire time. I worked on every flavour of UNIX (including Linux). I retired at the age of 57.

Every shop that I worked in that used Microsoft on the back-end failed. The only people who used Microsoft on the Desktop were people who could accomplish their jobs with COTS ( Commercial off The Shelf) software that had little to no complexity. Every attempt to use Microsoft for projects of substance failed.

I could go on and on about the Governments POSIX mandate and its’ influence ( all bad ) on the course of the computer industry, but I won’t because opinions are like (A) holes. Everyone has one and they all stink. I’m gonna go stun my beeber, shoot a moose and check back in after I take a shower. ;)


87 posted on 07/12/2018 11:10:42 AM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: JamesP81
"The MDS is not totally unjustified."

True. Just as my line is true:

"Many would if they could go back to using a abacus rather then use Microsoft."
88 posted on 07/12/2018 11:58:08 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: AustinBill
"Linux is not an OS, it's a kernel."

Interesting point. I used to be a UNIX admin back in the day and always thought of the kernel as being the OS. For a while all we had was the command line interface. Then we got Motif and Xwindows. I never considered that as part of the OS. I always just thought of that as a GUI to the OS.

Windows seems to have clouded all this. By calling their Windows system as OS they expanded the definition of OS. Now it was no longer just about supporting the basic operations and maintenance of the computer. Now the OS included all of the interfaces to the peripherals and to the user. I believe they even put File Explorer at the core of their OS even though that's really just a GUI file picking tool. Then they were even going to put Internet Explorer at the core of their OS. Thank heavens they were prevented from doing that or the hackers would be ruling the world as we speak.

You say kernel, I say OS. You say OS, I say OS plus GUI.

Maybe it would have worked out better for everyone if each computer came pre-installed with and optimized OS (you say kernel) and customers chose their own preferred GUI.

Oh wait GUI was UI and is now UE.

I can't keep up.

89 posted on 07/12/2018 1:34:14 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: JamesP81
The problem with this laptop is not Windows. It's Radeon’s well established reputation for piss poor driver support and second rate hardware.

I suppose I wrote the post in a confusing way that allowed it to be misinterpreted. The laptop has no difficulties running Windows and performs very well in every way. I have been running computers with Radeon Graphics cards for nearly 20 years and have never felt that they have “poor driver support and second rate hardware”. If they did I assume that this line of products would not have survived for as long as they have.

Many Radeon products do have Linux support, but no one that I am aware of has managed to get Linux builds fully functional on my newest laptop. At some point someone probably will. I would actually be happy to set up a fully functional Windows 7 build dual booting on it.

90 posted on 07/12/2018 2:06:20 PM PDT by fireman15
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To: fireman15

I misunderstood then.


91 posted on 07/12/2018 2:17:02 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Traitors are more dangerous than enemies. Vote and act accordingly.)
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To: cuban leaf

Bookmark


92 posted on 07/12/2018 4:11:56 PM PDT by publius911 (Rule by Fiat-Obama's a Phone and a Pen)
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To: relictele
Microsoft support is, in a word, abysmal

Completely disagree, especially compared to my experiences with Apple, which is always obtuse.

Sure, online forums are mostly - not always - useless, but live help I've gotten from MS over past 2-3 years has been excellent. Just today I had a simple question that I should have figured out on my own, and an MS rep answered my question in 30 seconds then stayed on the phone w/ me until it was resolved, about 10 min total. That was for a consumer question and without any user identification or license verification.

On the business side, with Office 365, I have received excellent support and follow up through to satisfaction.

I'm sure it wasn't like this only a few years ago, but for now I couldn't be happier w/ MS support.
93 posted on 07/12/2018 4:31:52 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: JamesP81

I agree with you that in general NVidia video cards have better support than Radeon. This applies to both gaming and the 3-D design applications that I use. As an example... if you look over the following chart less than half of the ATI cards listed are supported by autodesk software but nearly all of the NVidia cards are supported: http://download.autodesk.com/us/revit/revit_graphics_hardware_-_graphics_hardware_list_final.html


94 posted on 07/12/2018 5:40:37 PM PDT by fireman15
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To: tenger

I forgot to mention that the “customers” are lazy. And kind of stupid, too.


95 posted on 07/13/2018 6:24:52 AM PDT by beef ( middle)
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