Could someone help me with html formatting in a FR environment?

[mairdie]

I'm building a table for an FR friend and I did it the way I'd do it for my own website. It's a double table, to get an attractive border, and then a series of rows of various colors and numbers of columns. And, indeed, it's glorious on my website. But when we put the complete table into a thread or into my profile, the outer tables are completely removed by FR and the format of the rows becomes of varying lengths with missing borders around the cells, though both surrounding tables had their borders set correctly.

Does this ring a bell with anyone, and is there anything that can be done to regain a normal table appearance? Thanks in advance for any help you could give.

[mairdie]

You’re speaking to an old-fashioned gal who really loves complete control of her environment. When I worked at IBM Research, I used to fight with people over the automation of indices. I’m so old-fashioned I always made mine by hand. I never met an automated index better than my handmade ones. But I will, in this case, have to compromise in order to give the table to my friend. My first html editor. Sigh.

[mairdie]

I admit I keep a file of all the glorious tricks I’d love to put in a webpage, but we keep such a vanilla environment here that we don’t even have French vanilla. Husband was at IBM Research 10 years longer than me and is totally paranoid. On the other hand, we’ve never had a virus in any of our myriad systems. We keep our website on a standalone computer in some backroom in CT. Our space requirements are massive because of my music videos and the enormous research files I run with professors on Night Before Christmas.

[Aquamarine]

The easiest way to access the FR html for a Post is place your mouse over the camouflage background on this Canteen Post and right click then when the window opens click on View Page Source.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3667932/posts

[cynwoody]

This is after running it through Textmate's HTML tidier:

	“Trust The Plan”
YouTube	Joe Masepoes	Q - The Plan To Save The World - 13 min - popular introduction
YouTube	Thoughts Not Bots	Who is Q - 4 min - quick overview
Article	Conservative Treehouse	Imagine You are Not a Politician, Yet You are Running For The Presidency - overview
Twitter	Anonymous	What is Q? - 31 point introduction
PDF	Anonymous	The Book of Q - Oct, Nov 2017 Q drops + commentary
	“Pay Attention”
Thread	Qanon.pub	Q drops - created by Q on Q’s 8chan board
	“The Truth Is Spreading”
Thread	Anonymous	QProofs - compiled “proofs” that Q has trusted insider access to President Trump
Oracles	Bagster	Oracle - warm and witty summaries of each day's thread
Lexicon	Swordmaker	LexiQon - immense list of expanded acronyms and terms used by Q; invaluable reference
	“Power to the People”
YouTube	Praying Medic	Series of videos explaining Q-drops
Twitter	Praying Medic	Immediate reactions to Q-drops
YouTube	Dustin Nemos	Series of videos identifying Q content - Well reasoned; excellent documentation links
Twitter	ImperatorRex	Includes Q-drop reactions
Thread	SkyPilot	Story of Q - collection of Q information
	“Silent Majority No More”
YouTube	President Trump	This Video Will Get Donald Trump Elected - 6 min
Website	White House	Email the White House with your support and suggestions
Website	Congress	Email Congress with your support and suggestions
Website	roserambles.org	Q Cards
Thread	Little Jeremiah	Memes
	“Fight, Fight, Fight!”
YouTube	President Reagan	A Time for Choosing - 3 min - 1964 speech set to Matthew Worth's images
YouTube	President Kennedy	The President and the Press - 20 min - 1961 speech on secret societies

The tidier identified a large number of irregularities and tried to fix them.

FR tries to parse posted HTML in order to identify errors, such as missing closing tags, and strip out forbidden stuff, such as CSS and JS. If the HTML is syntactically invalid, FR might make mistakes trying to fix it.

That observation also applies to browsers. When faced with invalid HTML, browsers attempt to recover and do something reasonable. That could lead to different outcomes when you move the HTML from an empty page into an online post.

BTW, you did have some CSS, style="vertical-align:middle". I changed it to valign=middle.

[mairdie]

I did say earlier that I found the style there. I had it without, and husband came over to help and changed it to the style. I’m so unused to having any styles that I completely forgot he’d done that. What you have there is EXACTLY what I was trying to get for her. MAGNIFICENT!! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

[minnesota_bound]

Copy and save as an example webpage.html then open in Internet Explorer : )

[minnesota_bound]

Practice here http://bestonlinehtmleditor.com/

[smokingfrog]

Nice work there!!

[GingisK]

Compose your post using something like Microsoft Word. Save the file as HTML. Open that file in a a text editor like Notepad, then copy all of that gibberish into the FR post.

[mairdie]

Thanks for the suggestion, GingisK. I do do that for my fiction work out of pure desperation. What I love about handwritten, over the gibberish, is that handwritten ISN’T gibberish. You format it and space it so that it’s as readable as the code we used to write in the 70’s.

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

“I fear that’s what I’m going to have to do. The problem is that the table isn’t for me, it’s for a friend. And she doesn’t have a website in which to put it. So I’ll have to keep the table in my site until we can find some way of making it FR friendly, which means I get to maintain it for her until then. Sigh. Sigh.”

Well, what are friends good for anyway? ;-)

If you do take my advice then when you create the link you may want to add the target=”resource window” tag so that the table will open in a new window and the FR page will not be lost. After viewing the table then all one has to do is to X that page and see FR again.

[GingisK]

In the 1970s I wrote FORTRAN and assembler.

[mairdie]

Was never fond of FORTRAN, though fond of John Backus, but loved assembler. Thinking about counters and such was so right. And when we had 3 letter acronyms, looking for them on license plates was glorious. Remember ZAP? Zero and Add Packed? I got into the field in 1967, my husband in 1962. He had a very early paper out on “Yet Another Algol Compiler.”

[GingisK]

“Yet Another Algol Compiler.”

That should raise a smile on any oldie's face.

You are a bit ahead of me. I was a student in 1967; but, I made a Storage Access Channel for the IBM 1130 for attaching nuclear instrumentation. I really liked assembler, and wrote in it almost exclusively for fifteen years. By that time I had written software on quite a number of big computers as well as mini-computers. I was very fond of the PDP-11. Later the Motorola 68000 won my assembler heart.

I'm retired now, but still have four clients. I build them micro controller based instruments and then write the software for them. I teach one class in the local high school: Embedded Computing. I use Arduino hardware, but I make them use gcc compilers directly, including a short plunge into assembler. One of my female students became so attached to assembler that she wrote her final project in assembler. Now she studies Computer Engineering at Georgia Tech. My students love to learn to use digital logic ICs, hook them to microcomputers, and then program right down to the metal. (Some never lose the deer-in-the-headlights look.)

I started using C in 1980, and still use it on those micro controllers.

Do you still have your boots on?

Oh, yeah. I've exchanged email with Dr. Donnamae White, author of AMD's bit-slice manuals, application notes, and training courses. She is 77 and still a fire-brand.

[mairdie]

I LOVED THAT! What memories.

I was never as good with the machines as my husband was. I moved into computer language design, so my main tool was a xerox machine. I made more mistakes in two-upping my early magazines than you will ever imagine. I was in the contest to design the DoD-I language that became Ada - with the red team. We came in 2nd and Jean won the French Legion of Honor for designing the American defense language. Sigh. Then I chaired the SIG group for Programming Languages and ran a number of conferences. Started the Ada group and an Ada magazine and a Lisp magazine. Was Secretary of the X3J13 Lisp Standards Group for a while.

But languages got tiring, and I talked the IBM Research Director into letting me do something more fun and got an international multimedia magazine. That WAS more fun! Husband and I retired and he runs our computer world. Neither of us do any “real” work but we both work with a ollege professor (my 2nd, his 1st) on statistical analysis of poetry data.

Now all of that won’t turn you on, so I’ll pass your post on to husband who will be turned on by your hardware memories, and he’ll get back to you with joy.

[GingisK]

It is a turn-on, wow, a Ada team member! How cool is that!

When I moved to Atlanta in 1975 I worked for a small company headed by hardware engineers. It was software chaos with those guys, so we persuaded them to hire an independent contractor to install some software management. They hired Sharlene Lampkin, who turned out to be one of Admiral Grace Hopper's girls from the FORTRAN development group. They could not have made a better move. Sharlene put us on track, but made our sides ache with laughter. She was very bright and always looking for something funny.

Sharlene was a bit homely, easily overlooked. She told us that Grace's team was always jealous of her because she was the best looking one of the entire bunch. I enjoyed every millisecond with her.

Always wanted to learn Ada. I never had an opportunity.

You had a wonderful career. How do we tell the young ones about the god-like presence of being in the same room with big iron? Kids seem to think I am smoking dope when I tell them that a compiler is just another program...

[mairdie]

The story of our Red language and the whole DoD-I competition.
http://www.iment.com/maida/computer/redref/index.htm

I invited Grace to talk to my local area languages group and picked her up at the airport. Her talk is engraven in memory. At the end, the sight of her in uniform - small, straightbacked, saluting - still gets to me. As I drove her back, she explained who was funding her travel and recited the thank you letter I was to write to them. LOVED that woman!

The talk she gave was on the archeology of computer systems. How what she learned for small memories suddenly became relevant again as small computers emerged, and how people should remember the software hacks they used as well as the hardware.

I have a whole YouTube playlist of Computer History. One set of interviews is for an eccentric genius, John Cocke. I put up all the raw footage of the interviews. The others are videos done as significant research was happening in the multimedia field. And there’s a video where I’m crawling around the floor with a camera up into people’s faces during an actual group meeting of John Backus’ group on reduction languages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NQuHpUyZbI&list=PLYTtL1FB2XCphoR3BCIszdSlRFSQAOMPs

But my favorite video is an emotional You Were There memory of what it was like to be part of an all day computer meeting. This was when I was being sec to X3J13. Those are all the major names in the field. MUCH YOUNGER!

https://youtu.be/VvU3pJbZBj0

[deport]

Why don’t you make your links clickable
if you want someone to go view them?

[mairdie]

Sheer stupidity on my part. But the problem has been solved. Thanks for the reminder.

[GingisK]

This is pay dirt if I ever encountered such! I'll be sure to use whatever I can of yours in my class. So there.

I like to teach my geeks some of the history of electronics and computing. Good Lord, it is a short history, really. It is mind-numbing that humankind came so far, so fast. We rode on the shoulders of giants.

I won't be letting you get away. Thank you so very much for sharing these things.