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American hunter's images of her black giraffe 'trophy kill' spark outrage
http://www.foxnews.com ^ | 9 hours ago | By Hollie McKay

Posted on 07/01/2018 7:59:54 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

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To: Bob434

If they want to do wildlife management hunts, that’s fine.

I understand that over population can be a problem.

Hunting just for the trophy is not.

So what’s she going to do with her trophy? Stuff it and put it in her living room? Or just post a picture of herself proud that she killed a giraffe with a gun while he fought back.....just how?


121 posted on 07/02/2018 5:07:11 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Ransomed
I wonder if you have to pay a lot more to actually go out by yourself and kill a wild prime animal.

You can't, you need a guide and the hunts are typically on land that is leased from the govt. by the outfitters.......

And each species hunted requires a very expensive permit that is provided by the outfitters.....

122 posted on 07/02/2018 5:09:02 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Mother nature is a serial killer......)
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To: metmom
Hunting just for the trophy is not.

Why?

123 posted on 07/02/2018 5:09:53 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

ok....


124 posted on 07/02/2018 5:10:18 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"these hunters like me should just plant a garden and kill what comes in your backyard JMO"

If someone can afford it, and it's legal, and they want to, by all means fly to Africa and shoot giraffes. I've never understood rock concerts but I'm not about to suggest people stop going to them -- different strokes for different folks.

This isn't directed at you, just a paraphrases quote that I think hits the nail on the head with many hunters -- "hunters as a group are the moat obnoxious, self-righteous brats on earth. If you don't hunt exactly like they hunt you're doing it wrong and depending on how wide the variation between your method and theirs, you are a terrible person. Hunt with a semi-auto? Unsportsmanlike loser! Bolt or lever only. Oh yeah? REAL hunters use muzzleloaders. Oh really? I bow hunt, real men use bows. But you use a tree stand, you unethical, ambushing jerk!" Etc etc etc.

Let people do what they'll do in peace. I promise, there are many other giraffes out there.

125 posted on 07/02/2018 5:41:31 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd ( Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Does anyone know if a giraffe is ‘Levitically’ clean or unclean?


126 posted on 07/02/2018 5:43:12 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Chode

My kind of girl!
:’}


127 posted on 07/02/2018 5:44:24 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: yesthatjallen
Ah, the doctor is in and has provided a diagnosis.

I'm so glad that there are people in our midst who know everything.

128 posted on 07/02/2018 5:46:51 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd ( Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: ransomnote
They can come up with all the excuses they want but, to the hunter, it is simply trophy hunting. Nothing more. The rest is just justifying their trophy hunting. I personally know a gal who travels all over the world to hunt. She is a member of some hunting group and she has a list of different animals she must bag to move up the ladder (so to speak).

Her house is filled with all kinds of taxidermy, wall mounted and full body. If she really did do it to help the ahem poor "locals" by paying a private guide to take her through the snow in Utah for cougar, a moose in British Columbia, or some odd mountain sheep in South America or New Zealand, she wouldn't be paying the crazy costs of taxidermy and shipping the trophy (and her share of meat) back home to her two-bedroom ranch on a suburban cul-de-sac.

129 posted on 07/02/2018 6:00:16 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: yesthatjallen
There's no reason on earth to kill an animal for sport.

That's what serial killers do.


Actually most 'trophy hunters' aren't just after a trophy. It's not like they shoot big game, take a trophy, and then leave the rest of the animal to rot...

She points out that the giraffe she killed was 18, too old to breed, and had killed three younger bulls who were able to breed

and [I] was blessed to be able to get 2000 lbs. of meat from him

130 posted on 07/02/2018 6:12:45 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: yesthatjallen

Wow, serial killers?

Educate thyself in the field of game management, start by reading the entire article with an open mind.


131 posted on 07/02/2018 6:29:45 AM PDT by jazusamo (Have YOU Donated to Keep Free Republic Up and Running?)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Docile? Let me guess, you probably think pheasants are a species native to N. America.

First of all, giraffes are by no means a docile animal. Fights between bulls are extremely violent and often result in the death of one of the combatants and they have been known to attack humans.

Secondly, after poaching and absolute ignorance, one of the biggest challenges facing African wildlife today is overpopulation and habitat destruction. All African countries with the means to do so (funded primarily by foreign hunters) manage their wildlife populations by controlled hunting and culling, i.e., killing of animals to reduce the destruction of their habitat and reduce the population to the carrying capacity of their habitat - and that includes giraffes and even elephants, as well as many other species. In the vast majority of cases, those animals - whether giraffes, cape buffalos, gazelles or elephants - feed the populations of nearby villages and the government receives much-needed funding for anti-poaching, habitat control and improvement and yes, culling.

Westerners who make ignorant comments about “trophy hunting” should look at the history of elephant hunting in Kenya, which was banned in 1974. At the time elephant hunting was banned in Kenya, the population was around 250,000. After 44 years in which there was no legal hunting of elephants, Kenya’s population is now down to about 20,000 elephants, due almost exclusively to poaching and habitat destruction.

South Africa, which banned the culling of elephants several years ago, has now concluded that the elephant population in Kruger National Park has grown to the point that it is 5,000 elephants over the carrying capacity of their habitat and will resume culling.


132 posted on 07/02/2018 6:45:24 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: dragnet2

I hunt all sorts of critters for both food and profit. I understand the ecology of numbers. Rabbits eat grass, foxes hawks coyotes bobcats wolves lions bears eat rabbits. Too few rabbits and predators die off, too many predators and rabbits die off, leading to the former- predators die off. I like them all. Some taste great, some are valuable to help with finances ( although the cost of hunting is more like an expensive hobby. States regulate hunting to protect all the layers of critters, I am happy to participate. I thin the average golf course is a waste of good hunting or shooting lands.... It’s personal.


133 posted on 07/02/2018 6:45:42 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: dragnet2

Oh, part two, you a vegan? Otherwise you indeed kill and eat critters- yeah yeah I know, a chicken pig or cow in a pen is not the same as a wild and free _____.

I am proud to kill and eat. It gives me respect for the life I live, ad the life I take. I grow a garden too. And I plant row crops for my critters to partake of....


134 posted on 07/02/2018 6:49:42 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Blue House Sue

Maybe this was a necessary kill that will help the giraffe population. Seems like sound wildlife management.

But, “hunting” it was not.


135 posted on 07/02/2018 6:52:02 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: fireman15

You’re only partially correct. The tourist cash is minimal by comparison. The majority of the cost of an African hunt is in the cost of “trophy” fees, which run in the tens of thousands of dollars. For the so-called Big Five - elephants, lions, leopards, cape buffalo and hippos - the cost is even greater and that money goes to support wildlife management like anti-poaching programs and habitat management. Were it not for foreign hunters, Africa’s wildlife populations would be in a far, far worse state.


136 posted on 07/02/2018 6:52:51 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: kiryandil

You’re right, but most Americans are victims of the Bambi, Thumper and mainstream media approach to conservation.


137 posted on 07/02/2018 6:55:28 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

You do realize the cost of a license to shoot one these animals, is what pays for the wildlife management and anti poaching forces that protect the rest?

Look at the Rhino, there is only 1 nation in sub saharan africa that didn’t completely ban the hunting of Rhino.... and Its the nation that today has the most rhino... South Africa.

Trophy hunting isn’t my thing either, but no doubt it has been a very effective model for wildlife management.


138 posted on 07/02/2018 6:55:53 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

And what, pray tell, is your definition of trophy hunting? If you oppose shooting an animal, removing it’s head, horns and/or skin and leaving the rest to rot, I agree completely. However, that’s against the law in every single state - and in Africa.

If you define trophy hunting as choosing to take only mature, representatives of the species you’re hunting, making full use of the meat, horns, antlers, hide, etc., and choosing to go without taking an animal - sometimes for years, that is trophy hunting. In the case of African hunting, the meat from those animals and much of the skins are used by residents of local villages - and they are very thankful to get it.


139 posted on 07/02/2018 7:04:09 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: Chode

It’s not dead, it’s just sleeping.


140 posted on 07/02/2018 7:05:36 AM PDT by Rebelbase ( Tagline disabled.)
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