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To: IronJack
it’s a sad commentary on the state of our culture when we glorify such a barbaric spectacle.

You are a disgrace to your very cool FR name, and bereft of any cursory knowledge of American culture and history.

"Rough and tumble" or "gouging" was a form of fighting in rural portions of the United States, primarily in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. It was often characterized by the objective of gouging out an opponent's eye but also included other brutally disfiguring techniques, including biting, and typically took place in order to settle disputes. Though gouging was common by the 1730s in southern colonies, the practice was waning by the 1840s, by which time the Bowie knife and revolver had made frontier disputes more lethal.[1][2] Though it was never an organized sport, participants would sometimes schedule their fights (as one could schedule a duel), and victors were treated as local heroes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouging_(fighting_style)

And violence as spectacle is hardly an American invention.

19 posted on 06/03/2018 6:21:41 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Teacher317
I'm a disgrace because I think it's disgusting to watch two men destroy each other?

Okay, then I'm a disgrace.

Frankly, I think the disgrace is in people satisfying their bloodlust vicariously by proxy violence.

I am aware of the history of pugilism, from the ancient Greeks to the Coliseum to medieval jousts to duels and bare-knuckle "boxing."

I would also like to think that we've risen above the need to watch creatures rip each other apart in a desperate effort to slake some primal urge. And we have, to a large degree; thus the ban on cockfighting, dogfighting, bear-baiting, and bullfights.

But pitting two men against each other not only remains acceptable, it is devolving back into more and more primitive forms.

Would you revert to the days when "gouging" was considered entertainment?

29 posted on 06/03/2018 7:15:29 AM PDT by IronJack (A)
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