[IronJack]

I'm a disgrace because I think it's disgusting to watch two men destroy each other?

Okay, then I'm a disgrace.

Frankly, I think the disgrace is in people satisfying their bloodlust vicariously by proxy violence.

I am aware of the history of pugilism, from the ancient Greeks to the Coliseum to medieval jousts to duels and bare-knuckle "boxing."

I would also like to think that we've risen above the need to watch creatures rip each other apart in a desperate effort to slake some primal urge. And we have, to a large degree; thus the ban on cockfighting, dogfighting, bear-baiting, and bullfights.

But pitting two men against each other not only remains acceptable, it is devolving back into more and more primitive forms.

Would you revert to the days when "gouging" was considered entertainment?

[LostInBayport]

Frankly, I think the disgrace is in people satisfying their bloodlust vicariously by proxy violence.

A society that sanctions the very real brutalization/maiming/death of two people for the entertainment of others is in dire trouble and has already seen its best days. There will always be those who will make arguments to justify it (or belittle those who disagree) instead of just admitting that on some very base, very dark level it turns them on to watch it.

I look at the participants in this spectacle and feel about them the same way I do about Bruce Jenner: they have some deep-seated mental, spiritual or emotional problems and are looking to solve it in the worst way possible. What does our society do? Instead of helping them it cheers them on because it does something for them. Yes, it is a disgrace.