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Massaging Without A License, Criminal Damage: Elmhurst Arrests
Patch.com ^ | 25 May 2018 | Andrea Earnest

Posted on 05/27/2018 8:37:00 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

Pihua Wu, 61, of the 400 block of East Adams, was arrested at 5:31 p.m. in the 500 block of North York for massaging without a license.

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To: DUMBGRUNT

You can buy a Faraday case for your cell phone for around $10 on ebay. I bought one for my tin-foil hat wife for her phone. When she puts the phone in the Faraday case nothing goes in or out. No phone calls or text messages until the phone comes out of the case. It works great.


21 posted on 05/27/2018 10:03:42 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: Reno89519

You obviously are not married to a wife or know of anyone who has constant back pain.


22 posted on 05/27/2018 10:08:01 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: Reno89519

It is your fortunate health coupled with exposure to perversion.

I had meningitis before chiropractors were anything close to affordable. Massages were the best pain management available for that back then.


23 posted on 05/27/2018 10:11:25 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Reno89519

[Maybe my age, but I cannot separate masseuse equals hooker. The only reason for a massage is sex.]


Have you ever had a real massage? I have. It did very little for me, but I know people for whom it’s a monthly routine. I’m talking little old ladies peeling off tens from their Social Security income. Maybe when I get to that age, I’ll understand. From talking to a masseuse, my understanding is that real massages are fairly expensive (although not as expensive as the illegal happy ending variant) because of the amount of muscular effort involved. An 8-hour day, 5 days a week, sustained year-round would mean serious repetitive stress injuries.


24 posted on 05/27/2018 10:15:32 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.)
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To: Robert DeLong

I say everyone gets a massage simply for sex. Make other excuses, but in the end, it is about sex. And if that wasn’t the result, what was the problem?


25 posted on 05/27/2018 10:27:30 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: Reno89519

Physical therapy is not about sex. Just wow. I’ve watched a lot of massage of injuries of children and adults. No sex involved.


26 posted on 05/27/2018 10:37:23 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: Reno89519

Retired licensed & certified medical massage therapist married to a currently licensed Certified Neuromuscular Massage Therapist. I practiced for 11 years. My husband has been in practice for over 22 years. At times, we worked together, one charting while the other did the manual work.

The problem is that overworked and strained muscles and tendons retain the information that facilitated the spasm and must be manually worked to make them *forget*.

People expect miracles from chiropractic, but muscles move bones, so releasing the spasm in the muscle will result in a spontaneous adjustment of the bones. Many chiros require the patient get a massage prior to adjustment. It makes their work easier and prevents them having to do a manual adjustment against muscle spasm.

Most of the effective massage protocols came from innovative chiropractors.

Any therapist attempting sexual actions would be at risk for a law suit, delicensure and loss of malpractice insurance. MDs have referred to us and will give a heads’ up on clients who ‘present provocatively’. MDs, chiros and massage therapists are all vulnerable to false claims of sexual advances and will avoid the slightest appearance. We have refused to complete work on people demanding intimate services. The massage is over at that point and they are told to not return. The names are also spread around to others in the profession.

This is a therapy complete with scientific training, state and local licensure and malpractice insurance, as well as CEU requirements. We work in conjunction with PT, OT, chiro and MD practices. Massage protocols for TMJ dysfunction, migraine and carpal tunnel allow people to delay or avoid surgery that can fail and debilitating addictive drugs. Most MDs with chronic pain patients will require the patient to pursue non-drug alternatives before even considering opiates.

You will find certified MTs in medical practices, physical therapy practices and sports/orthopedic practices. It is a safe bet that you know an MD or a dentist who utilizes regular massage for themselves.

Sports Massage is its own field of practice, working with runners, bikers, weight lifters/body builders, team and solo ball players. Ask some of them if massage has made a difference in their professional performance.

I am 75. No one normal would ask me for sexual release. I trained in the 1990s. By age 62, I had several overuse problems of my own and it was time to quit. Massage therapists are more like athletes, themselves. It is physically demanding. Most honest therapists will tell you they can maybe handle a 5-hour day and many find that too much.

My husband is a nice-looking guy of 67 and in good shape. He works a much reduced schedule these days and apart from a couple of militant gays, has never had anyone request sexual services. The gays were dealt with summarily and never returned.

Your opinion is about 50 years out of date and is based on the unfortunate fact that many prostitution businesses work under the cover of massage. They are usually busted within a short period time. In our area, none of those have lasted more than a few months.


28 posted on 05/27/2018 12:47:00 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Still funny...


29 posted on 05/27/2018 1:00:00 PM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: Reno89519

It’s kinda sad you cannot separate the two.


30 posted on 05/27/2018 4:18:46 PM PDT by JimSp
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To: reformedliberal

Is there a good book you can think of off the top of your head which explains the principles of getting the muscles “to forget” in a way that would be of use for self-repairing minor injuries?


31 posted on 05/29/2018 6:11:43 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: AnonymousConservative

Not really.

IMO, the works of Janet Travell (deceased) and her main partner David Simons are the gold standard.

https://www.amazon.com/Travell-Simons-Myofascial-Pain-Dysfunction/dp/0683307711/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1527604484&sr=1-2&keywords=JAnet+Travel+and+David+Simon

This is the quick reference version, which I didn’t even know of until this search.

https://www.amazon.com/Travell-Simons-Trigger-Point-Charts/dp/0683180088/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1527604484&sr=1-1&keywords=JAnet+Travel+and+David+Simon

They are technical and expensive, but they are very informative.

Travell’s chiropractor father was one of the forerunners of this work, which included the use of cold spray therapy. This sort of technique is usually not covered in modern massage licensing, so a couple of current therapists have put together protocols that eliminate the spray (Paul St. John or Barbara Walker, who was his student). They both run certification programs that are long, intensive and expensive, but turn out competent therapists.

Many MTs will tout themselves as able to do NMT work after a 2-week session within their basic training.I would seek out a Neuromuscular Massage Therapist through word-of-mouth, sports medicine practices or from chronic pain practices. The work is intensive at first, but tapers off to a more affordable regimen, which, combined with stretches, can work well. Stress and trauma (falls, sprains, et al) can reactivate old muscle *memory*, but if the muscles are released once, the subsequent releases occur quickly.

If you have access to a good bookstore, you can at least skim the Travell-Simons texts, which give insight into the stretches. Stretching without release is of value, but much less than manual release.

Due to the positioning and location of some of the trigger points, it isn’t easy to do this yourself. Maybe on a limb, the head and neck, but back and hips need an outside agent, IMO. The TheraCane, IMO, is of limited value, mainly because you cannot palpate through the tool. Palpation informs the therapist of where the contraction/spasm is and how little pressure is needed to effect release. Less pressure is always better...the objective is to encourage the muscle to smooth out and relax, not to give way under a pummeling. Because of this, be wary of advertised ‘deep tissue’ work that substitutes force for subtlety. NMT can be uncomfortable at times and competent therapists will so inform you and try to not overwork the client.

I do not recommend Rolfing. It is much too forceful, IMO and I have seen injuries. I have taken some John Barnes Myofascial Release workshops and while there is some value to the MFR approach, I found it, like the Rolfers, to be heavily weighted toward a cult of personality/true believer mentality. Personally, I found the NMT (St. John approach) to be the best modality of this sort of manual bodywork. Caveat: my personal experience of all this was over 20 years ago. Approaches change, training changes, practitioners age out and retire.

I did find this in the also browsed section:
https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1608824942/ref=pd_sbs_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1608824942&pd_rd_r=CZTGJYQ1CSJGFWEGZFPH&pd_rd_w=HxHB6&pd_rd_wg=JDnlp&psc=1&refRID=CZTGJYQ1CSJGFWEGZFPH

Affordable. I have not read it. Personal experience is that I get better results from a therapist than when I treat myself, but self-work is better than nothing.

There are stretches in the 2-volume edition, but, IMO, they are best used along with NMT work to maintain the releases. A functional understanding of the musculoskeletal system is basic to this work. Simon can go into too much detail at the cellular level for most of us, but a skim, at least, of the intro to Vol I of the Myofascial Pain Dysfunction text will provide an overview.


32 posted on 05/29/2018 8:13:14 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: AnonymousConservative

Addendum:
Totally forgot to mention that Pilates, Feldenkrais and Alexander Technique somatic movement courses are very helpful. These would also be good places to inquire about competent therapists.


33 posted on 05/29/2018 8:27:32 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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