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Neandertals, Stone Age people may have voyaged the Mediterranean
Science ^ | 24 April 2018 | Andrew Lawler

Posted on 05/05/2018 9:08:13 PM PDT by Theoria

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1 posted on 05/05/2018 9:08:14 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: SunkenCiv

Sail, ping.


2 posted on 05/05/2018 9:08:34 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Theoria

I’ve generally found fair weather sailing to be fun.


3 posted on 05/05/2018 9:12:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Theoria

Neanderthals keep turning out to have been more capable and smarter than previously thought.


4 posted on 05/05/2018 9:16:56 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Theoria

"Wooden boats? Really? I'll have you know it was a Viking Cruise, main deck level balcony stateroom. The roasted duck with mango salsa was superb".

5 posted on 05/05/2018 9:25:18 PM PDT by Rebelbase (YETI deathwatch, tick, tick, tick......)
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To: Rebelbase

haha! Love it!!


6 posted on 05/05/2018 9:33:58 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Theoria

7 posted on 05/05/2018 9:34:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: All
And look what they devolved into:



8 posted on 05/05/2018 9:35:21 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Theoria

This would mean Neanderthals were more technologically advanced than Sub-Saharan Africans of a mere 2000 years ago.


9 posted on 05/05/2018 9:39:36 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 0)
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To: Theoria

They still do— can be seen on any number of Mediterranean cruise ships... classic heavy forehead brow etc. Same hairdos too.

/s


10 posted on 05/05/2018 9:45:46 PM PDT by John S Mosby (SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS)
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To: thoughtomator

Madagascar was settled not by Africans, but by people from Borneo/Indonesia. That’s something. ‘Africans’ didn’t arrive until 500+ years later, to that point on ‘discovery’.


11 posted on 05/05/2018 9:54:24 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: BenLurkin

I wonder how many times it took them to figure out the fire on a wooden boat thing?


12 posted on 05/05/2018 10:01:49 PM PDT by Rebelbase (YETI deathwatch, tick, tick, tick......)
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To: thoughtomator

Not necessarily.

But Sub-Saharan Africa is not well suited to preserve anything small. Still, there are tantalizing clues that the Okavango delta was once home to huge man made agricultural works sufficient to potentially feed a massive population. Where were the possible cities they fed? Their age is not known but if they are old enough the flooded coastal lands east of Africa around Madagascar, inundated at the end of the Younger Dryas, might be a place to look.

And Africa seems to have suffered less flooding than elsewhere, as there were great swaths of prime real estate in West Europe or Indonesia / South East Asia that disappeared after the last big ice age it’s really difficult to know what once was.


13 posted on 05/05/2018 10:10:18 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rebelbase

They weren’t progressives crowing about this time they can make Marxism work ... so they probably had no more problems than sailers of more recent eras,


14 posted on 05/05/2018 10:12:38 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rebelbase
"Wooden boats?!!!"


15 posted on 05/05/2018 10:22:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Rurudyne

Sub-Saharan Africans on their own never even made it to any of the islands off Africa. Every inhabited island off the coast of sub-Saharan Africa was first settled by non-Africans. That would put the Neanderthals of 100k+ years earlier ahead in the seafaring technology department.


16 posted on 05/05/2018 11:26:43 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 0)
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To: Theoria
In contrast, the recent evidence from the Mediterranean suggests purposeful navigation. Archaeologists had long noted ancient-looking stone tools on several Mediterranean islands including Crete, which has been an island for more than 5 million years, but they were dismissed as oddities.

Modern science in a nutshell. If the evidence doesn't fit what I "know" to be true, then that evidence should be ignored for ... reasons.

17 posted on 05/05/2018 11:28:13 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Russians couldnt have done a better job destroying sacred American institutions than Democrats have)
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To: thoughtomator

Keep in mind that Europeans and Asians have Neanderthal genes, and sub Saharan Africans don’t.


18 posted on 05/05/2018 11:57:57 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Theoria

“Archaeologists had long noted ancient-looking stone tools on several Mediterranean islands including Crete, which has been an island for more than 5 million years, but they were dismissed as oddities.”


In a nut shell, that’s why human history is such a muddle ... like “climate change scientists” who only look for things that fit their theories and discard the rest (like the Sun).

Many an important artifact lies forgotten and moldering in museums’ basements or in the case of several thousand year old optically ground lens labeled ‘Jewry. “Just ‘oddities,’ move along and forget you ever saw those items, please. Look over there at that stunning statue of some unknown ruler we believe. We’re sure it was from a historic period and are waiting for the dating report due in a few years or so.”


19 posted on 05/06/2018 3:02:57 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: thoughtomator

This would mean Neanderthals were more technologically advanced than Sub-Saharan Africans of a mere 2000 years ago.

Actually not. Your supposition is wrong historically. The Sub-Saharan were far in advance of the Portuguese who discovered them in the 15th century, and considered the Sub-Saharan civilizations superior to their own (with clean running water and indoor toilets attached to a sewage system - inventions that were missing from Portugal at the time). The Portuguese even petitioned the Crown to be allowed to remain. (A Short History of Africa - Oliver & Fage).

These Sub-Saharan civilizations were likely the degenerated remains of the much older civilization - which the Old Kingdom Egyptians circa 2500 BC called the “Westerners” - and who ruled all of the North African-Mediterranean coast including the Nile Delta. Some of that civilizations remains can still be found Algeria and Libya, but just the odd arch or trilateral stone megalith.

It was after that point of discovery, when the Portuguese began trading with Arab Muslim slavers for slaves in exchange for firearms that the Sub-Saharan civilizations fell apart and their wooden cities returned to jungle ... thus giving rise to the later Western impression that Sub-Saharans were ignorant, stupid savages. That they never rebuilt was due to the loss of so many people to slavery, and to the Muslims who wished only to kill and convert.


20 posted on 05/06/2018 3:35:14 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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