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To: WMarshal

>>I am sure that the Chinese are good programmers but software is now the epicenter of strategic advantage and America needs to the knowledge domestically or become a third world backwater.<<

I agree completely, but programmers born and bred here in the USA don’t get that they don’t command salaries like back in my (COBOL) day.

Mind you I am doing programming right this very minute, but it is within the context of also doing analysis, specifications, project planning, integration and user/technical training and documentation.

Many/most kids today cannot do all those things. Most might be able to do one or 2.


14 posted on 03/27/2018 10:10:43 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (robert mueller is an unguided missile)
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To: freedumb2003

“I agree completely, but programmers born and bred here in the USA don’t get that they don’t command salaries like back in my (COBOL) day.

Mind you I am doing programming right this very minute, but it is within the context of also doing analysis, specifications, project planning, integration and user/technical training and documentation.

Many/most kids today cannot do all those things. Most might be able to do one or 2.”
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I guess you don’t consider that “born and bred here in the USA” programmers need time and experience to develop those broader system development skills and abilities JUST AS YOU NEEDED TIME to develop those skills & abilities. You likely had time to develop your skills at a time when your employers weren’t tempted to get rid of you (or never hire you) and use low wage foreign programmers. THAT WAS A BETTER TIME.


18 posted on 03/27/2018 11:15:34 AM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: freedumb2003
I am in the same career trajectory. I went from straight programming for ERP implementations at Fortune 500 companies to: a mix of programming/system admin, project management, consulting service sales, software sales, technical architect, etc.

I am on a working vacation that has lasted about 3 years doing programming at a defense contractor at a rate of about triple what I could command in the private sector due to the prohibition of not being able to utilize foreign contractors or to outsource offshore. I was real tired of working with nutjobs in sales. Never let anyone tell you that supply and demand doesn't affect pricing.

23 posted on 03/27/2018 11:30:09 AM PDT by WMarshal (Molon Labe!)
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