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1 posted on 03/19/2018 9:34:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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“Free” college means all the taxpayers pay.


2 posted on 03/19/2018 9:39:05 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There are two sexes: male (pronoun HE), and female (pronoun SHE). Denial of this is insanity.)
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What professor in their right mind would work for free? They must mean “free” as in someone else is forced to pay for it.


3 posted on 03/19/2018 9:39:16 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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‘Free College” ?

That’s like the ‘free’ toy in the cracker jack box... it ain’t worth nothin

Free=worthless


4 posted on 03/19/2018 9:39:45 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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Why States Should Abandon the ‘Free College’ Movement

"Free college" should be abandoned by the states because the Constitution guarantees each state a republican form of government, not a socialist form of government...

5 posted on 03/19/2018 9:39:52 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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The “Somebody Else Pays for it College Movement”.

13th through 16th grade High School.


6 posted on 03/19/2018 9:44:28 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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Some of the course graduation requirements are just designed to keep you in school forever.the introduction to campus life classes are an easy A and complete time waster. The advisors insist you take it then then you fall short senior year. College is a racket to keep teachers and admin in jobs.


7 posted on 03/19/2018 9:46:20 AM PDT by cnsmom
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The best college model was the Arizona model from the 1970s

Tuition was as close to free as possible as spelled out in the Az state constitution.

In state students were almost a 100% certainty for admission - even if you had bed grades in high school you could attend on probationary status and get full admissions if you could keep up a good grade point average for a year or two.

If you were not prepared for university, two years of essentially free community college were available to get you you up to speed.

On the other hand, the course work was rigorous and intentionally designed to weed out students who could not make the grade as quickly as possible.

This changed with affirmative action when standards were dropped and accommodations were made to retain students who had no business being in college.

After 40 years of constant pressure to lower standards, you now pay an inflation adjusted 700% higher tuition to get a much less rigorous and often worthless education.

8 posted on 03/19/2018 9:52:34 AM PDT by rdcbn
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Seems like today someone could just make a long list of links to study and lectures to listen to. Boom, free college.


9 posted on 03/19/2018 9:58:30 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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This is about expanding leftist indoctrination.

It has nothing to do with educating a productive American workforce.

50% of these faux graduates will be incapable of performing in the workplace.


10 posted on 03/19/2018 10:00:41 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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The author raises good points, but in my experience serving in advisory roles for a couple of industry groups and academic institutions I think there are two completely different issues here.

1. For community colleges, the money spent on educating adults older than their mid-20s (for example) is probably worthwhile. These people tend to be pursuing retraining or continuing education in fields that change rapidly. Paying to have an 18 year-old go to a county college is usually a waste of money, on the other hand. This is nothing more than pissing away more money to make up for deficiencies in K-12 education.

2. Allocating public funds for students to fill undergraduate programs is usually just a racket to subsidize colleges and a way of keeping young adults in crappy states that they would otherwise be vacating in droves.

11 posted on 03/19/2018 10:12:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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Only ten percent of free college recipients complete a two year degree in six years.

Man, that tells me a lot.

It tells me the educational establishment is utterly insane when they crow about how many high school graduates enroll in college. They never say how many actually attend nor how many graduate.

Not every high school student is bound for college. We have a deep need in the country for tradesmen, at all levels.

One of mine is at truck drivers school today. That’s what he wants to do. Another graduates as an aerospace engineer in May. That’s what he wants to do. I support both equally.


12 posted on 03/19/2018 10:14:32 AM PDT by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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This article does not really hit the point. The reality is that college is an embedded brand not an education. There is little that an intelligent high school grad learns in college that is useful in the rest of their career. Lets kick out specialty degrees like nursing and computer programming, which are geared toward a specific skill in a specific field. These degrees are really trade school. You can throw in Accounting, med-school and a law degree into this category. These schools are valuable. They teach a skill and set you up for a real job.

Now lets talk about the rest of the degrees, English, French, History, any degree that ends in the word studies. These degrees are worthless. The only value for these degrees is that you can check the box “college graduate”. And you can do that with very little money paid to an online college.

The reality is that MIT and many other schools have put a lot of their classes on line. Additionally, Khan Academy and Code Academy plus others have put classes online for free or a very small cost.

Colleges and professors don’t have more knowledge than your boss at most jobs. You are growing up in college, maturing. You could do that anywhere, the army, jail, teaching english in china or skiing in Colorado. You are not learning things you will use all your life. Those Jesuit education or Liberal arts educations of old are not really taught anymore. College is just not the learning atmosphere it once was. Professors are lazier. Schools are worried about open discussion. Classes try to attract students instead of trying to educate students.

The worry with this article is that schools are already worse now. But when it becomes free, that means it loses even the little market value it had. And the colleges just turn into a cost. So the NEA gets another group of Union Dues payers without regard for output or value. And kids have no reason not to spend 6 years in college.


13 posted on 03/19/2018 10:28:10 AM PDT by poinq
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Because people who should be out working will avoid it by enrolling in college, to hide out for a few more years. Now, making it easier and more convenient to work one’s way through school deserves some consideration.


14 posted on 03/19/2018 10:31:37 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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IMO another bad idea that’s inevitable because there is just too much political momentum building behind it.

The approval ratings among Republicans, Tea Party and Trump voters is nearly 50%. How you gonna stop it?


15 posted on 03/19/2018 11:18:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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20 posted on 06/21/2018 12:56:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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