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Trump's hand gesture at pressure - Draws out the shape of a Q
yCropper ^ | 03/08/18 | yCropper

Posted on 03/09/2018 5:51:18 AM PST by mkleesma

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To: SaraJohnson

Q originally said Hillary would be arrested in November. Back when I was still posting on Q threads, I cut and pasted that drop repeatedly. The Q-believers who responded (and there were many) explained that Hillary had been *secretly* arrested. The proof was that she was wearing an ankle monitor.

This is all right there in my posting history, if you care to dig back a few pp. I was not told that Hillary *could* be wearing an ankle monitor, or that she *might* be. I was told that it was a fact. The monitor was built into the boot. No one conceded that this might only be a possibility; they all told me it was a fact.


121 posted on 03/11/2018 9:56:17 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: enumerated

‘That is why you hear Trump complaining about Mueller, Rosenstien, Sessions and the investigation, but never doing anything to stop them.’

I read your entire post with great care. Thank you for the time you took to reply. I have a question, though. Namely, how, exactly, is Trump supposed to stop the Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller juggernaut? [Especially given that not even Wray is on Trump’s side. When asked if the FBI had paid for the Steele dossier, Wray refused to answer.]


122 posted on 03/11/2018 10:07:03 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

LOL that is funny. I read (when I do) over at a web site that is owned monitored by a smart former military guy. A lot of military men are over there. A lot of Tech. research people. I just lurk. They do a lot of brain storming but when they don’t know something they make it clear.

A lot of what q says happens. I have never kept a list though.


123 posted on 03/11/2018 10:44:50 AM PDT by SaraJohnson ( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
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To: SaraJohnson

No, Q’s problem is that the definite predictions he made bombed. So now it’s all mumbo jumbo cryptotalk. The only clarity has been, TRUST SESSIONS, trust Wray, trust the plan.

I.e.: the Deep State undermining Trump. It’s a sophisticated anti-Trump psyops. The more Trump rails against Sessions, the more Q says to trust Sessions. Very clever, and very insidious.


124 posted on 03/11/2018 11:02:12 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

You might be right. But I have learned a lot about a many subjects and real events playing the Q game.

Bottom line, I don’t care if Q is a pure patriot fantasy writer - Aunt Bee down the street - playing around. I still learned a lot and had fun.

I don’t get the anger some have about Q and his/her posters. It’s not being forced on anyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU


125 posted on 03/11/2018 1:23:25 PM PDT by SaraJohnson ( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
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To: Fantasywriter

“....how, exactly, is Trump supposed to stop the Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller juggernaut?”

If Trump wanted to stop Mueller’s investigation, or influence it, or redirect it, he would have compelled his AG and assistant AG to take an activist approach toward Mueller on his behalf. Sessions and Rosenstien would be acting in the role of Trump’s defense attorneys, as was the case with Obama’s DOJ.

I know, people argue that Trump has no control over his own DOJ because he can’t fire anyone without getting impeached, but there is a glaring inconsistency in that argument:

On the basis of political realities and threat of impeachment, there are many who give Trump the benifit of the doubt for not firing Sessions, or Rosenstien, or Mueller.

Yet, these same people express outrage at “Sleepy Sessions” for not doing his job. They blame Sessions’ recusal statement and his hands off policy toward the Mueller investigation, as if Sessions could have fired Mueller, or Rosenstien at any time but failed to do so because he is part of the deep state.

But it doesn’t make sense to hold Sessions accountable for not stopping the Mueller investigation, while maintaining that there is nothing the POTUS can do, because his hands are tied.

You can’t have it both ways. Either..

1) the Mueller investigation is a juggernaut so powerful that even the POTUS’s hands are tied, and he deserves the benefit of the doubt for not stopping it, based on the political realities he faces. If you accept this premise, then Sessions’ hands would be tied as well, and he deserves the same benifit of the doubt. All the arguments of Sessions being a deep state traitor, asleep at the switch, a swamp creature, a sell out, etc.. all fall apart when you accept that the Mueller juggernaut is unstoppable. Or...

2) The Mueller investigation is not a juggernaut - it is a joke - a political witch hunt that could have easily been stopped if Jeff Sessions had simply done his job rather than betray the POTUS by recusing himself. If you accept this premise though, and believe the investigation could have been stopped by Sessions, then why didn’t Trump himself put a stop to it?

I think the answer is that the Democrats and the Deep State committed numerous crimes attempting to frame Trump, and confident Hillary Clinton would win and cover their tracks, they set this whole Russian collusion smear job in motion.

Then, when Trump won, it was too late to stop it after the MSM had it - so they doubled down trying to get plan B -a quick impeachment. Then plan B failed too and they are stuck on a runaway train - they don’t know how to stop it. Everyone knows there was never any Trump/Russian collusion, and since Trump, Sessions, et al (wisely) never tried to interfere, they can’t get him on obstruction (plan C).

At this point I really believe there is so much dirt and corruption to be found on the Democrats and other deep state types in the intelligence community, that there is no downside for Trump to let them continue digging.

I really think Trump is in good shape and he knows it - he’s like the innocent man saying - go ahead play the survailence tape - because he knows he didn’t rob the store, and the tape will reveal who did.


126 posted on 03/11/2018 1:59:43 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: enumerated

The people who blithely argue that Trump could fire Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, whoever, have apparently never heard of Richard Nixon. They should read up on him sometime. It’s a good object lesson in what happens when the press rabidly hates you, your own party only tepidly supports you, and being investigated for obstruction for firing Comey is not enough; you want to throw a couple of cubic tons of gasoline on that fire.

Sessions owed it to Trump to tell him he was going to abdicate in Rosenstein’s favor. Trump said publicly that he would not have selected Sessions had he known. The honorable thing for Sessions to have done at that point was tender his resignation. But Sessions is dishonorable to the core. He’d rather see Rosenstein and Mueller destroy Trump than give up his precious title.


127 posted on 03/11/2018 2:24:31 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: SaraJohnson

‘I don’t get the anger some have about Q and his/her posters.’

It’s the cultish behavior. That was my first tip off that it’s a malicious hoax. When people are interested in the truth, they can conduct civil discussions—even with people who disagree with them. People who take a cult-like approach, however, have to attack, demonize and attempt to destroy dissenters.

That is the reason many people dislike the Q phenomenon. The true-believers have called skeptics every vile name they know, used every insult at their disposal, and lied like Hillary in an effort to smear and slander the doubters. That’s how you can tell the whole thing is bogus: it leads directly to extreme antisocial behaviour (even to the point of encouraging skeptics to commit suicide, if you can believe it).


128 posted on 03/11/2018 2:34:07 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

You are still trying to have it both ways:

Let’s say I agree Trump can’t make Nixon’s mistake and stop the investigation, or fire anyone, without creating a Watergate and getting himself impeached.

But if the situation is so dire that a POTUS of Trump’s stature is helpless to free himself from the tentacles, why are we supposed to think that Jeff Sessions could have saved him if he’d only done his job, or if he had only stood down and let someone else do it?

I’m sorry, it just doesn’t add up.


129 posted on 03/11/2018 3:09:26 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: enumerated

First of all, without Sessions’ recusal, there would be no witch-hunt-gone-wild. By recusing dishonorably, without giving his boss any inkling that the backstabbing was in the offing, Sessions turned the DOJ over to one of the people who signed off on the illegal FISA warrants. The purpose of the FISA warrants was to ensure a Hillary victory. So devious, dishonest, underhanded Sessions turned the DOJ over to one of the very people who had acted illegally to try to fix the election in Hillary’s favor.

At present, Mueller is completely out of control on a never-ending fishing expedition. If Sessions had an honorable bone in his body, he could stop this coup attempt tomorrow. He was officially investigated for a conflict of interest, and the verdict is in: the recusal was 100% unnecessary. [Hmmm.....]

So at this point, all Sessions has to do is unrecuse and Act Like A Man. I.e.: he needs to call Mueller on the carpet and read him the riot act. Tell him the parameters of his investigation, fix a date on which to wrap it up, and order him to stop indicting people for non Russian-collusion BS. Oh, and tell Mueller he can forget about interviewing Trump unless he can spell out the specific CRIME under investigation. Enough with the witch hunt!!!

Don’t hold your breath. Sessions works for Rosenstein now. Trump is nothing but “the target.”


130 posted on 03/11/2018 3:41:00 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

“First of all, without Sessions’ recusal, there would be no witch-hunt-gone-wild.”

Really? All Sessions had to do was not recuse himself and the deep state would have just given up and walked away?

How would that have unfolded exactly?

In May of 2017, amid growing cries, mostly from Democrats, that someone independant of the DOJ should investigate allegations of collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign to affect the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, Rosenstien appointed Mueller, because Sessions had recused himself. The appointment of Mueller was widely accepted and approved of by the Democrats, who transformed overnight from a howling militant lynch mob and adopted a wait-and-see posture.

If Sessions had not recused himself, or had he withdrawn his name to make way for someone more assertive, say, Giuliani, to be AG (let’s assume he would have been confirmed), the decision of whether to heed or ignore the cries from angry democrats to appoint a special counsel, or whether to delay such a decision, or if there was to be one, who it would be - these decisions would have fallen on Sessions (or Guliani), not Rosenstien.

So in May of 2017, if an unrecused Sessions (or Giuliani) had decided to ignore calls for a special prosecutor, or had delayed making a decision, or had chosen someone less adversarial toward the POTUS (and therefore less acceptable to the Democrats), what would have happened to the angry mob of Demcrats that was growing by the day? What would have happened to the daily batch of hyperbolic headlines drawing comparisons between RussiaGate and Watergate?

Would they have all just thrown up their hands and said “Oh well, we tried. But the AG says no, so I guess that’s it. So much for going after Trump.” Would the salivating Democrats, the entire deep state and all the would-be Woodward and Bernstiens of the MSM have just moved on from their dreams of RussiaGate and accepted the decision of Trump’s AG to not investigate any further?

I think you see my point.

I think all along, Trump has done whatever he had to do to defuse the situation, including Sessions’ recusal (believe me, Trump knew about it), including the decision to hire Mueller, including the decision to let Mueller hire whomever he chose, including letting Mueller dig in the playground as long as he wishes, and including the decision to keep Sessions as AG, and Rosenstien as assistant AG.

I think Trump has handled this brilliantly. He has the patience of a saint and will come out smelling like roses.

You can second guess all you want whether Sessions shouldn’t have recused himself, or should have withdrawn his name from nomination, or should have declined to appoint a special prosecutor, or should have fired Rosenstien or Mueller, or should have been replaced as AG by a more assertive AG.

But really if you second guess any of that, it’s ultimately Trump’s decisions you are second guessing. Trump calls the shots. He’s a successful business tycoon. You can be sure he’s got a one year plan, a four year plan and an eight year plan. He is skilled at adapting to a changing reality. He’s skilled at identifying critical paths, bottlenecks and underperforming assets. There’s simply no way a Donald Trump is keeping key members of his team in place if he thinks they are not performing. They’d be out on their asses in a heartbeat.


131 posted on 03/11/2018 10:35:43 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: enumerated

No need to second guess Trump. He made a statement, which can be found with even the most casual online search:

“Sessions should have never recused himself, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and I would have picked somebody else.”

Sessions screwed up beyond all belief. As to the Democrats, it’s not their decision whether or not a NON-crime gets investigated. Trump has defused their hysteria before and he could have done it then. But the backstabbing tag team of Sessions and Rosenstein pulled a fast one—and their perfidy will be the defining moment of both careers. And a shameful moment it was, too.


132 posted on 03/11/2018 11:18:00 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: enumerated

Btw, you don’t give a lot of attention to the FISA warrant issue. It’s critically important, however. Namely, when Rosenstein signed off on the 4th illegal FISA warrant, he committed a felony. It was well known at that time that the dossier was nothing more than unverified opposition claims and accusations. Comey admitted as much. Yet Rosenstein presented the dossier to the FISA judge as confirmed, reliable evidence (against Trump). He did that solely as a means of fixing the election against Trump/in favor of Hillary. It was literally criminal.

Yet this law-breaking anti-Trumper (Rosenstein) is the person—the sole person—Sessions placed in charge of deciding whether to investigate Trump for a NON-Crime, AND in charge of selecting which Hillary-fixer should spearhead the coup.

How on earth can you make excuses for Sessions??? At a bare minimum a felony-committing Hillary shill should not have been given sole authority over Trump’s fate. Are you aware that Rosenstein had to give Mueller a ***conflict of interest waiver*** in order to put him in charge of the witch hunt/fishing expedition??? How can you defend that??? It’s abusive anti-Trump treachery AT BEST. No conservative should want any part of justifying it.


133 posted on 03/12/2018 4:05:48 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

You and I are just going around in circles now.

We already discussed the fact that Trump’s public statements are more often than not strategic misdirections - it’s naive to simply take them at face value.

I’ve enjoyed our conversations, but it’s probably a safe bet that we’re never going to agree about Jeff Sessions.


134 posted on 03/12/2018 5:56:19 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: Fantasywriter

Regarding the FISA warrant issue, let me be clear about one thing:

I’m not a fan of Rosenstien or Mueller, and none of my comments should be construed as me defending either of them. It’s true I don’t believe they are a serious threat to Trump at this point. In fact, I’m sure Trump has already figured out ways to use them as pawns to his advantage. But no, I certainly don’t like either of them and I consider them both to be the enemy.

The only player I’ve defended is Jeff Sessions. I believe we are not seeing nearly enough of the way this is playing out behind the scenes to judge him so harshly.

I also believe all the fuss over Sessions’ recusal manifests a hyperbolic exaggeration of the capacity ANY Attorney General could possibly have had under these circumstances to defuse the RussiaGate fervor last spring, or to limit or wind down the investigation over the last year.

I think it has been handled deftly by Trump with Sessions doing and saying exactly what Trump asked him to do and say. At this point, the strategy of disciplined non-obstruction has paid off handsomely - the investigation appears to be sputtering out and last year nobody thought it ever would.

And again, its naive to take public statements at face value.

In time, people will realize that Sessions has been misjudged, and that Trump’s relationship with his AG has been grossly underestimated.

But again - you and I aren’t going to agree on Jeff Sessions - at least not any time soon.


135 posted on 03/12/2018 6:42:11 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: enumerated

‘I think it has been handled deftly by Trump with Sessions doing and saying exactly what Trump asked him to do and say.’

Trump says the exact opposite. Trump has a lifelong reputation as a straight-shooter who says what he thinks/means. You have zero evidence that the issue with Sessions is an exception to the rule.

‘At this point, the strategy of disciplined non-obstruction has paid off handsomely - the investigation appears to be sputtering out and last year nobody thought it ever would.’

100% false. Mueller is continually expending his never-ending witch hunt and shows NO sign of EVER stopping. Your feel-good, self-serving wishful thinking is delusional.

‘And again, its naive to take public statements at face value.’

Where did you get such a bizarre idea??? Do you have God-like omniscience, which enables you to see into people’s minds and know what they *really,* meant? Do you read tea leaves to find the hidden message? Do you use a crystal ball?

Second guessing the ‘real,’ meaning behind people’s words is a massive psychological red flag. It is literally known in psychological terms as, “mind-reading,” — and it is death to healthy communication. If Trump had an established pattern of saying the opposite of what he meant...he wouldn’t be POTUS. His frankness and honesty were big reasons people voted for him.

‘In time, people will realize that Sessions has been misjudged, and that Trump’s relationship with his AG has been grossly underestimated.’

Only if every single one of your evidence-free guesses is exactly right. And there’s no indication that they are.


136 posted on 03/12/2018 8:37:07 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbonoreal,')
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To: Fantasywriter

“Do you use a crystal ball?”

No, I don’t!

I’m not the one claiming to know enough to measure Jeff Sessions’ character and competence, and judge him a failure. I’m the one saying we DON’T have that information.

And yes, Trump is as honest and straightforward as possible when communicating directly with his constituents, but when he makes public statements he knows his adversaries are watching and listening as well, so he measures his words and gestures accordingly.

If you think Trump doesn’t use guile and misdirection in his Tweets and Pressers to bait and distract his adversaries, and put them off guard, then you are the one who is delusional.


137 posted on 03/12/2018 9:36:14 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: enumerated

Here is Trump speaking bluntly and honestly:

“Sessions should have never recused himself, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and I would have picked somebody else.”


138 posted on 03/12/2018 9:39:33 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbonoreal,')
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To: enumerated

And btw, I DO take Sessions at his word. He hasn’t had one supportive thing to say about Trump since he shivved him with that 100% unnecessary recusal. But Sessions has lavishly praised and defended snake-in-the-grass Trump-hater Rosenstein.

So yes, I believe Sessions is giving us the straight scoop. He’s enamored of Rosenstein and is in a never-ending snit toward Trump.


139 posted on 03/12/2018 9:47:22 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbonoreal,')
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To: Fantasywriter

I’m familiar with the quote. We just disagree on why he said it.

You say he’s being honest and straightforward. I say he designed that statement to feign weakness - to reinforce the narrative that he is on the ropes, betrayed by his own cabinet, surrounded by the deep state, frustrated and ineffectual.

Trump knows, as does any mediocre poker player, that it is advantageous to have your adversary believe you are weak, to hide your strengths, to appear disorganized, frustrated and desperate.

It’s the oldest trick in the book - surprised you don’t see it.

Maybe some day Trump will write his memoirs and we’ll get this question resolved one way or the other. Meanwhile, we’re both just guessing.

I’m guessing Trump has known exactly what he was doing all along. You’re guessing that one of his his earliest executive decisions (appointing Sessions) was a fatal mistake that will cause his doom.

I sure like my odds!


140 posted on 03/12/2018 10:20:28 AM PDT by enumerated
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