UFO ‘evidence’: Recordings reveal air traffic control’s confusion at strange craft over Oregon

foxnews.com ^ | Jamie Seidel

[JockoManning]

Good comments. LOLOLOLOL.

However, I think their 'grokker' is broken.

[jmacusa]

I am an agnostic in many things. Most particularly in areas of religion and science. These two things are 'bad neighbors'' to each other. I have to leave for work now. Night shift. Sucks. We can continue this later.

[JockoManning]

How hard does an analogy have to bite you before you realize it relates to the discussion?

[JockoManning]

"... or shut your trap." How long have you had this posting dictator complex?

[JockoManning]

Maybe I should be ashamed for toying with the mice so much.

However, I'm happy to take the opportunity afforded by said toying to keep the thread bumped. It may wake some folks up and spare them unnecessary suffering and/or danger.

[JockoManning]

Now, now, Rooster ... trying to infect the inoculated with reason is likely to be a fool’s errand.

[RoosterRedux]

I don't actually believe in little green men.

I don't know exactly what it was that people who were analyzed by Dr John Mack (Harvard prof-psychiatry) thought they were being abducted by. But as he and others have said, "there's something there, we just don't know what it is."

Mack, and Jacque Vallee, and Allen Hynek all came to basically the same conclusion...whatever it is, it isn't extraterrestrial. Rather, if this phenomena is in fact real, it seems to be extradimensional.

I would point you to this (click on the image to look are reviews at Amazon)...

[RoosterRedux]

Good chatting with you. Have a good one.

[GOPJ]

An editor should have sent this piece back to the reporter and had him put the important stuff first - and with more 'follow up' explanations. The comment below was in the middle of the piece and there's some follow up about area 51 research and concerns the unknown was Chinese or Russian rather than 'aliens'... I got the feeling the people in the fighter jets knew what they were doing.

"Fighters are ordered into the air from the McChord Air Force Base in Washington."

[RoosterRedux]

I don't think there are editors any more.

We on the interweb now...it's a hole nu wurld.

[GOPJ]

LOL - your wright.

[Bellflower]

Also, I have seen UFOs, once up close and personal. Some folks cannot comprehend that truth can be stranger than fiction.

[Bellflower]

And I forgot, I also believe that they are spiritual in nature. I believe the truly awesome crafts are The LORD’s, and the lesser, poorer imitations are of the enemy.

It’s not that The LORD and His angels need to travel by crafts, but for some reason He chooses it to be so, so it is.

Psalm 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

[Jamestown1630]

A lot of people have seen ‘UFOs’.

The questions are: What did they actually SEE; and What was actually THERE?

It’s a question with a multitude of answers. I just don’t happen to believe that any of those answers have to do with ‘intergalactic visitors’.

And I don’t think that you need to fear that ‘inter-dimensional CRITTERS’ are coming here to dismember and eat you up.

So: I suggest that you sleep well, in peace - as I will.

‘K?

[jmacusa]

Mack once asked something very profound about abductees: “Why would anyone want to believe they were abducted.?’’

[jmacusa]

How long have you had an persecution complex?

[jmacusa]

Boy, irony’s really lost on you, huh?

[jmacusa]

Dude, Churchill knew Hitler was a threat in October of 1930. You really need to stick your nose in a book or two.

[JockoManning]

UFO ops and awareness and projects in the USA started well before Roswell.

And some of us have been warning about UFOs for 40-45 years or more.

[JockoManning]

Mack once asked something very profound about abductees: “Why would anyone want to believe they were abducted.?’’

Did Dr Mack's meaning escape you?

Maybe I can help.

His point was that there was NO reason anyone would LIKE to believe they were abducted to be subjected to horrific and terrifying 'medical' procedures. That therefore, more respect was due their narrative.

i.e. There was no rational explanation for their narrative other than that it was relating true facts truly experienced. They were obviously NOT concocting such stories as some delightfully delusional fantasy or imaginary journey.

There's no rational way to discount Dr Mack's research. It was scientifically carried out; logically analyzed and fittingly interpreted.

He went into the research as an agnostic--a skeptical agnostic. He figured there was some psychological explanation but was keen to see where the data took him.

The DATA convinced him that the subjects were talking about real events that had truly happened to them. They were NOT relating hallucinations. They were NOT blathering on about delusional stuff. They were merely describing real life events that they had personally experienced in their physical bodies.

Your hyper-rationalist construction on reality has no fitting explanation for those facts.