Scientific Theory And The Multiverse Madness (the multiverse idea is too close to fiction)

NPR ^ | 01/22/2018 | SABINE HOSSENFELDER

[Reily]

It depends on how you define universe.

[UCANSEE2]

The Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Spiral Galaxy problems come from our lack of ability to measure correctly.

[UCANSEE2]

but I am busy building a spaceship that can go faster than the speed of light.

You're going to need some really bright headlights.

[Bobalu]

There are many infinities...and infinity is impossible for the mind to truly understand.

The infinite set of all whole numbers is the same size as the infinite set of even numbers.

1,2,3,4.......

and

2,4,6,8.......

Have the same number of elements....you don’t understand it, you just get used to it....like whacko liberals.(infinite stupidity)

[Bratch]

[Bobalu]

I love that film, she managed to act so crazy...a hard thing to pull off well.

[Billthedrill]

She's right, it's a crock. I bought one of those interuniverse transport shuttles - it sort of looked like a Yugo - start to twiddle the dials and had to call Customer Support. "I want a universe where unicorns drop bags of loot in my yard when I snap my fingers." "No problem," the guy said, and gave me the settings. "What about a universe where computer geeks get million-dollar signing bonuses and groupies and athletes and rock stars have to look for jobs in Craigslist?" I sez. "No problem," the guy said, and gave me another set of numbers. "What about a universe where the Mariners win the World Series?"

They gave me my money back.

[mad_as_he$$]

Nice summary. Thanks.

[UCANSEE2]

It depends on how you define universe.

Which seems to be the root of the entire problem.

[UCANSEE2]

Maybe the only real ‘infinity’ is the imagination of the human mind.

[heights]

Scientist looked at the 53 Universal contants, and the odds of this Universe working, odds of....Well, write a 1, now start writing zeros, get back to me in a trillion trillion years, and you may be close. Scientist realized it was impossible, and that’s when the “MultiVerse” idea was born. I once heard a German cosmologist say, “There is either a Multiverse or a God”. Without even the slightest Evidence, the “Muti-Verse” was born.

[Bobalu]

I would accept as an axiom that God, or, All That Is, is infinite.

[Reily]

The universe at one time was defined to be the Milky Way galaxy. The word was defined & used (joined the lexicon!)before perspective on such things broadened.

[UCANSEE2]

Scientist looked at the 53 Universal contants, and the odds of this Universe working, ...completely by happenstance.

And the answer, as you said, is that it is impossible.

[UCANSEE2]

I would accept as an axiom that God, or, All That Is, is infinite.

Furthermore, he gave us the ability to 'imagine' and to 'create'. In order to give us infinite imagination, he would have to be infinite.

(note: the 'he' pronouns are used for the sake of simplicity)

[UCANSEE2]

The universe at one time was defined to be the Milky Way galaxy.

Goes back to my statement that the problem is the limit of our ability to detect things. As our technology improves, we 'see' more than we used to.

There is still much more 'out there' we don't yet see.

[mjp]

To our best knowledge, assuming the existence of any universe besides our own is unnecessary to explain anything we have ever observed. In the best case, then, the multiverse is an interpretation.

anti-God scientists are desperate to avoid the creator

[Reily]

Agree!
Though what drives the whole multiuniverse argument is GUT theoretical work (String Theory, M-Theory, etc.). Since experimental verification is very problematic, “mathematical beauty” is substituted. While this has paid off in some instances. However in those instances experimental verification had the final say! “Beauty” seems a poor thing to hang ones hat on, but for now its all they have!

[rfp1234]

[Durus]

I wonder if her skepticism goes so far to question “dark matter” the mystery material invented so general relativity math adds up.