Posted on 01/19/2018 1:43:57 PM PST by Red Badger
Keep your F150. It’ll be a long while before they can power a 4,000+ lb truck on Duracells, much less for 400+ miles a tank, as you and I can do in our F150s on dinofuel and in any weather.
I kinda wondered about the heat problem when I was recently at my local Walmart. They have two EV charging stations and I happened to look at the meter and was amazed to see the attached Nissan Leaf taking on 391 Volts! I didn’t ask the guy who was sitting in the car if we could open the battery compartment and feel the battery! I figure if there is excessive heat during a charge with that much voltage, the battery life might be shortened.
I’ve heard that the Leaf battery weighs 900 pounds.
But it won’t go 150 miles with the heater/defroster on.
I think a lot of Tesla owners never need a charger except for the one in their garages. They use the car for a specific purpose like driving to work or cruising on the weekends. If they need to take a trip they have a second car or they rent one.
One thing is for sure, Tesla has no shortage of extremely enthusiastic customers. Any company, not just car companies would love to have that.
The EPA test cycle isn’t a real world experience for an automotive vehicle. The miles traveled figure, whether evaluating hydrocarbon fuel or battery, is always overstated relative to actual usage. The best that can be said for the testing is that it would allow an apples-to-apples comparison of two similar examples of a technology.
I want to know how many kilowatts it takes to charge it. That is the only way to determine if it is cost effective.
I’m guessing....no. Our prius had a break even point of 100,000 miles over a Camry when gas was $2.15. And that was only because of the tax credit
Was it all downhill, no AC or heater, no radio?
I can’t name a single other car company that has 400,000 people waiting. Why is that? The other car companies actually sell people cars, not take their money on the promise that they’ll get a car—someday. What kind of moron puts down money on a car that they’ve never seen or test-driven? Rich people with F-you money, that’s who. That’s not how normal people operate. Give me a car today or I walk, I don’t buy a car like it’s an iPhone. Most people don’t.
And I’ll bet you any amount of money on earth that that 400,000 figure is full of crap. I was reading stories two years ago that Tesla was ready to go under. Hillary was up by 9 points in Utah on election day, you remember Mark Twain’s old saying about statistics, right?
After the first warning, continued driving through multiple warnings enters the battery depletion range which permanently damages the battery, which reduces maximum range capability thereafter?
You know things are bad when a media darling like Tesla is getting doom-and-gloom press: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tesla-inc-tsla-more-trouble-anyone-thought-113158329.html.
“The EPA test cycle isnt a real world experience for an automotive vehicle. The miles traveled figure, whether evaluating hydrocarbon fuel or battery, is always overstated relative to actual usage.”
Mine is EPA 15 city 25 Highway. I do better than that unless I put my foot down hard but even under mildly aggressive driving I am close to EPA.
“I was reading stories two years ago that Tesla was ready to go under. “
Stock is up 60-70% in those two years.
No big deal. It is fully refundable.
The Tesla Company which has not met production goals so as to deliver a product in a timely fashion? Delivered less than 15% of stated production goal of Model 3 for the third quarter of 2017, a total of 220 Model 3 completed.
“The solution is obvious. Batteries need to be switched out, not permanent batteries that are charged in the vehicle. That should have been the design from the beginning. Someday, there will be viable electric cars and thats how they will work”
Someone takes it in the shorts, battery’s lose efficiency. Example: Brand new Tesla owner with a battery at 99% pulls into the battery change out station and give up his one month old battery for a three year old battery running at 89%. And so on and so forth. In that scenario only Tesla could take on the associated costs of that system. Of course it gets passed on to the Buyer of an already too expensive car.
BTW when does Trump cut off the Fed. Subsidizes? Time to stand on their own two feet.
“Some cities do have a proliferation of chargers. The tech is getting cheaper, and once installed there they are. Easy to put in anywhere. Company & big-retail parking lots tend to have them (not gas stations): pull up, plug in, go do your thing, got a decent charge (if not complete) when you come out”
Can’t wait for when a majority of Cars are electrical yet the cost is prohibitive for enough Charging stations to keep up with the demand. The Charging Station brawls caught on video should be epic. Highly unlikely outside of Corp. Parking lots that Charging remains free.
“Gee, that sounds a whole lot like driving in the Rocky Mountain states ...”
No kidding. Castle Rock to DTC would drain that thing.
“Electric cars are the future”
That’s been said for 100+ years. Let us know when it happens.
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