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FBI Baffled by Encryption (FBI DIRECTOR Wray wants back diirs on devices)
The Still Report - Youtube ^ | Jan 13, 2018 | Bill Still

Posted on 01/14/2018 8:51:50 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: dila813
Can’t trust them on FISA or 702s.

The FBI's refusal to come into the late 20th century much less the 21st century in their interrogation methods by refusing to use recording devices of any kind, or even ALLOWING any recording devices during interrogation, instead relying on the notes taken by agents later compiled into their Form-302 reports of such meetings and interrogations and their reliance on such subjective reports in accusing interviewees of the crime of "Lying to the FBI" makes them completely suspect. I, for one, would never talk to the FBI about anything. Ever.

The risk of even innocuous statements being converted to a LIE if THEIR agent's subjective recollected report of my statement does not agree with a statement in a subsequent interview's also subjective recollected report by another agent, or with the FBI's interpretation of some physical evidence, is just too great for me to ever speak to them in any circumstance. My attorney's advice is just to stay mute whenever the G-Man comes a'calling. . . or pull out a recording device; they will leave immediately, if you do. They will terminate the interview instantly if you record everything; they do not want their "reliable" 302s to be found to differ from an actual recording.

21 posted on 01/14/2018 9:31:04 AM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The FBI is literally b-tching, maoning, and groaning about fundamental mathematics and computation. You can't ban such things.

It's absurd to think that every secure device or file on the planet must have some kind of "backdoor" mandadted to be placed in it just so Government can effortlessly snoop out everyone's secrets whenever they decide they have the need.

The fact is Government can't control such things, and any government which could would be utterly totalitarian. Technology has reached the point where it's hard to decrypt things, and that's that...

22 posted on 01/14/2018 9:31:09 AM PST by sargon ("If the President doesn't drain the Swamp, the Swamp will drain the President.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Apple is really goring their goat with the Secure Enclave. Not even Apple can get past it. Now Secure Enclave is making its way to Macbooks and the iMac Pro. It must keep the FBI up at night.


23 posted on 01/14/2018 9:32:56 AM PST by IndispensableDestiny
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To: neverevergiveup

Some may be written in the code known as “cursive”. The FBI can’t break that code.


24 posted on 01/14/2018 9:33:41 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...the public is demanding more security from the government, not less, especially in light of the fact that the latest batch of cyber criminals were a literal cabal within both the FBI and Justice Department to attack the current President and help cover the crimes of his opponent ...

If the FBI and CIA want their power back they CAN'T BE THE GOON SQUAD OF THE POWERFUL LIKE THE IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD. Or the Gestapo or the KGB... or any of the other human filth groups that shill for powerful thuggy elites.

25 posted on 01/14/2018 9:38:44 AM PST by GOPJ (The press is fed by the FBI & CIA - YOUR tax dollars at work - propping up establishment democrats.)
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To: Lazamataz
They had a back door, but we discovered it, and now it’s a hugh chip-based Intel security problem. It is called the Meltdown bug.

Close, Lax, but not quite right. On mobile devices it was the Spectre malware. . . not Meltdown.

That predictive-processing backdoor had very limited capabilities. . . especially on ARM processor based mobile devices. Was it a danger? Yes. Did it have the capability to process large, complex apps? No, only specific functions that were likely to be called next in reference to what was being calculated currently and results cached. That process could hijacked for similarly small processes. The entire app sized processes could not be used.

26 posted on 01/14/2018 9:42:22 AM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: neverevergiveup
Great. More good news. Sounds like there is a market for envelopes that can defeat this.

Such envelopes exist. They thwart magnetic and optical (visible and infrared light) readers. You may have gotten some in the mail. They have a black internal pattern printed of a magnetic ink. Cost is about 3-4 times regular envelopes.

27 posted on 01/14/2018 9:47:17 AM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Some may be written in the code known as “cursive”. The FBI can’t break that code.

Why do you think the Liberal education block is de-emphasizing teaching cursive? They don't teach it anymore in government schools. Soon Cursive writing will be a dead language.

28 posted on 01/14/2018 9:51:24 AM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: gaijin

The only thing that will work is making not decrypting facing a warrant illegal and analogous to destroying evidence or not complying with the warrant. Using encryption to coverup a crime should be punished like using a gun in a crime.

I don’t see any other reasonable approach.

There are plenty of threats which warrant encryption but covering criminal activity is not one.


29 posted on 01/14/2018 9:53:47 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: gaijin
"The FBI , aka BIG BROTHER, has been trying to require manufacturers to provide backdoors into their devices for law enforcement who obtain a warrant."
30 posted on 01/14/2018 9:56:02 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: neverevergiveup

No but the originator still has full use of the documents. They haven’t been siezed, he released them to someone else, and sending documents can be a crime all it’s own.


31 posted on 01/14/2018 9:57:15 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The government does not have the right to see yours or my data anywhere, on a computer device, or written on an envelope. None whatsoever. It does not have the right to a “back door”. “back door” is a nice-sounding name for the government having the right and the ability to waltz right in and look at anything they f*cking want.

Government has the right and the obligation to get the f*ck out of our lives.


32 posted on 01/14/2018 9:58:11 AM PST by I want the USA back (Lying Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: neverevergiveup
#3: " think it would be a good idea for the postal service to open all letters and scan them before delivering them?"

We are already almost there. The post office photographs every letter and package that passes through its system and keeps it on file.
 

33 posted on 01/14/2018 10:03:27 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (CNN is fake news.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It doesn't matter what the FBI/NSA/CIA, or any of the other organs of the feral government do. Cryptography is a right. Unless they can make knowledge of mathematics a criminal offense, this train has long ago left the station.
34 posted on 01/14/2018 10:10:16 AM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: Swordmaker

Yet you still KNOW, this was an NSA back door.


35 posted on 01/14/2018 10:37:28 AM PST by Lazamataz (It is known.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No way, Wray.


36 posted on 01/14/2018 10:53:32 AM PST by Fedora
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

What about that pesky 5th amendment?


37 posted on 01/14/2018 11:09:00 AM PST by Bobalu (12 diet Cokes and a fried chicken...)
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To: Lazamataz
Yet you still KNOW, this was an NSA back door.

No, Laz, I prefer Hanlon's Razor: "Do not attribute to malice what can be more easily explained by stupidity or incompetence."

These flaws were in existence all the way from 1995, predating the laws and CAPACITY permitting the NSA to search all computers for such data. It was something that could have been discovered at anytime, had someone just looked. Too many processor design engineers would have had to have been complicit with the NSA for this have been deliberate.

So, no Laz, I don't "KNOW this was an NSA back door."

Given Apple's vehement dedication to customer privacy, not to mention their long battle with the FBI and other government agencies, they particularly would not cooperate with such a program in designing their A series of ARM based processors, especially with their refusal to join other NSA programs that most of the other companies joined such as PRISM, for which the Snowden papers only listed a future target date for Apple Computer, Inc., to be joining PRISM, but did not list Apple as having actually joined. Apple always maintained, unlike all the others, they never participated in PRISM.

38 posted on 01/14/2018 11:17:45 AM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I used to have a favorite encryption program. It was also the favorite of several online retailers. Then the government asked the manufacturer to put in a back door, and they did.
Within a few months one or two of the online retailers had massive credit card breaches and people had their card data stolen.

I am still using the version that preceded the back-door version. The manufacturer of the encryption program went bankrupt. Anyone think this couldn’t happen again?
The only way for something to remain a secret is to deny access to it by anyone, especially the government.


39 posted on 01/14/2018 11:31:22 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Men stand up for freedom; slaves kneel before their masters.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Apparently the FBI hasn’t figured out that we are Americans, and that we are CITIZENS of the USA. We are not, nor have we ever been POSSESSIONS of the USA, our privacy is our RIGHT, not theirs. We exist for our pleasure, not theirs, and finally we purchased OUR iPhones for OUR security, privacy and convenience; not theirs.

Perhaps these jerks would do better working at McDonalds; because they seem unworthy to work for the Federal Government.


40 posted on 01/14/2018 11:35:05 AM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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