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1 posted on 12/29/2017 5:25:50 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Is there a War of 1812 ping list? If not, would y’all be interested if I create one?

And thank you, Bull Snipe, for posting this.


2 posted on 12/29/2017 5:29:13 AM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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To: Bull Snipe

Strikes her colors..

Surrender?

What did they do with the surviving British?


3 posted on 12/29/2017 5:29:56 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Bull Snipe

From Wikipedia:

“Captain Lambert of Java was a well-qualified officer, having seen much combat during his service. Java had more than a full crew, having been rounded out while in Portsmouth; however many were landsmen still raw to service at sea, and even more damning to her cause, they had only practiced gunnery once without shot loaded in the guns. Still, Java was well supplied and manned, and would prove to be well handled and well fought. USS Constitution had an experienced crew manning a heavy frigate carrying 54 cannon: thirty 24-pounder guns and twenty-four 32-pounder carronades, plus two 24-pounder bow chasers.[5]

On 13 December 1812, sailing from Boston by way of Cape Verde USS Constitution, under the command of Captain William Bainbridge, accompanied by USS Hornet, commanded by James Lawrence, arrived off the coast of Brazil at St. Salvador. On 26 December Hornet was sent into the port to communicate with the American consul stationed there. On 29 December at 9:00 AM still out at high sea in search of prizes crewmen aloft Constitution sighted strange sails on the distant horizon.[6] Bainbridge initially was unsure of the disposition of the ships, but hours later as they drew closer he was able to discern that the approaching vessels were large and now assumed them to be British. To ascertain the disposition of the unidentified ships Constitution hoisted private signals (flags) at 11:30 AM, while the assumed British vessel also hoisted its signals, but neither ship made the correct counter-signal.[7]

Constitution tacking the wind made her way from the neutral Portuguese territorial waters with Java giving chase.[8][9] The following day at 12:30 PM Java hoisted her colors and ensign with Constitution hoisting her colors in reply. With the dispositions of each ship confirmed, Java with the weather gauge to her advantage came about to position herself to rake Constitution. Being French-built, she was comparatively light for a frigate and was consequently faster and more maneuverable than Constitution.[10] In reply Constitution fired a shot across Java’s bow with Java returning fire with a full broadside.[7]

Java started the battle badly out-matched both in terms of the experience of her crew and the weight of her broadside. Constitution, with her experienced commander and crew, countered by not shortening sail as was standard (this reduced strain on the masts thus making it less likely to lose a mast under fire).[4] By 2 PM both ships were heading southeast. The opening phase of the action comprised both ships turning to and from attempting to get the better position for which to fire upon and rake the other, but with little success. Bainbridge now wore Constitution to a matching course and opened fire with a broadside at half a mile. This broadside accomplished nothing and forced Bainbridge to risk raking to close Java.[11] Another broadside from Java carried away Constitution’s helm, disabling her rudder and leaving Bainbridge severely wounded; however he still maintained command refusing to sit out the battle. Both ships resumed firing broadsides but by now Java had a mast and sail falling over her starboard side that prevented most of her guns on that side from firing, which also prevented her from laying alongside Constitution. The guns that attempted to fire only managed to set the fallen sail and rigging ablaze.[12][13]

Constitution’s accuracy of fire and the greater weight of her broadside put the much smaller Java at a large disadvantage. Within one hour, after several close encounters involving the rigging of each ship getting entangled with the other’s, Java’s masts collapsed. During this encounter a sharpshooter aloft in Constitution mortally wounded Lambert.[14][15] Lieutenant Henry Ducie Chads now took over command, assisted by the captain in transit to his ship. Bainbridge used this opportunity to distance Constitution so as to make immediately needed repairs, taking approximately an hour. However clearing the masts and fallen rigging aboard Java had hardly begun when Constitution returned from repairing her damage and immediately took a raking position from which Java could not defend herself. This left Lieutenant Chads no choice but to surrender Java. Constitution hoisted out a boat and sent First Lieutenant Parker to take possession of the prize. [8][14][16]

In the battle, Java suffered 22 men killed, including Lambert, and 102 wounded.[3] Constitution lost nine men initially and 57 wounded, including Bainbridge. Some four or five later succumbed to their wounds.[17][Note 1]

In the course of battle Java was rendered a dismasted hulk that was not worth taking as a prize. Instead Bainbridge removed her helm and installed it on Constitution, replacing the one that had been shot away. On New Year’s Day 1813, two days after the engagement, Bainbridge gave the order to set Java ablaze; she subsequently blew up.[19][20][21]

Upon learning of the death of Captain Lambert, Commodore Bainbridge expressed deep sorrow for a commander he credited to be brave and noble. On 23 April 1813, Lieutenant Chads and the other surviving officers and men of Java faced the customary court martial aboard HMS Gladiator for the loss of their ship. They were honourably acquitted.”


5 posted on 12/29/2017 5:35:14 AM PST by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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To: Bull Snipe

A recent NROTC graduate had his commissioning ceremony on the USS Constitution.


14 posted on 12/29/2017 6:04:54 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Bull Snipe

The War of 1812 could also be referred to as the Second War of Independence as more than a few British would have liked to see the results of the 1775-85 conflict reversed. While the USS Constitution had been built (1797) for commerce protection against the Barbary Pirates (1790s), she and her sister frigates, USS United States & USS Constellation, were the ‘super-ships’ of the time. Well designed to resist the gunfire of the time, they were armed enough to give any enemy pause while fast enough to out-sail any ship too strong to fight.

FYI: the enemy French ship in the movie, “Master and Commander”, is reputed to be a thinly disguised copy of these ships, USS Constitution et. al.


17 posted on 12/29/2017 6:12:41 AM PST by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: Bull Snipe
Announcing the War of 1812 ping list

Join in with Bull Snipe, dp0622, Maine Mariner, Bigg Red, and QualityMan, who have already been added.

26 posted on 12/29/2017 6:59:25 AM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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To: Bull Snipe

Read “Six Frigates” by Ian Toll. A great primer for the period 1795-1815.


28 posted on 12/29/2017 7:34:30 AM PST by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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