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My rules:
Never point a weapon at something you are not prepared to kill.
Never just display a weapon as an legally unjustified threat. That is the crime of "assault."
If you ever use a weapon, remember who the witnesses were, and who they weren't. In the Michael Brown shooting, there were multiple so-called witnesses who started the "Hands Up - Don't Shoot" rumors and who were later proven to not be witnesses to anything. Point out the witnesses, or lack of them to arriving LEOs. Likewise, if perp shot at you and hit a target that might be later moves, such as a car, point that out to LEOs as well.
If the perp had a weapon, ensure no co-conspirator of his removes it from the scene.
Other than that, identify yourself to the LEO, and then direct all, I repeat ALL LEO question to your lawyer.
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Good core info for new CCW and good reminders for all of us
My rules:
Never point a weapon at something you are not prepared to kill.
Never just display a weapon as a legally unjustified threat. That is the crime of “assault.”
If you ever use a weapon, remember who the witnesses were, and who they weren’t. In the Michael Brown shooting, there were multiple so-called witnesses who started the “Hands Up - Don’t Shoot” rumors and who were later proven to not be witnesses to anything. Point out the witnesses, or lack of them to arriving LEOs. Likewise, if perp shot at you and hit a target that might be later moved, such as a car, point that out to LEOs as well.
If the perp had a weapon, ensure no co-conspirator of his removes it from the scene.
Other than that, identify yourself to the LEO, and then direct all, I repeat ALL LEO question to your lawyer.
And remember, after shooting someone, that your 911 call is recorded for the sole purpose of using your utterances against you.
Nice set of written down rules
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Do the military or police get issued anything in .45? Because I'm pretty sure .45 is powerful.
Massad Ayoob: Judicious Use Of Deadly Force.
Col Jeff Cooper’s Four Firearms Rules:
1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
My rules:
Never expose yourself to ambush in transitional spaces. Police and security guards excepted.
If you have to go to Walmart, do so in the morning, not at 10 pm.
Never go anywhere after bedtime.
Do not show your phone, flash a wad, or let your cc be detected.
Stay in front of those you have an obligation to protect.
Never let a stranger approach you. Step back, get an object between you.
Never allow your car to become a coffin. Leave room between you and the car in front to make a U turn or go around. Don’t hesitate to run over someone who is threatening you even if they are unarmed. If your car isn’t mobile, get out and dominate the space.
Never speak to the police about a conflict. Your lawyer can do that for you. No matter what they say, they are not on your side and their questions will wait. Let them arrest you if that is offered as an alternative to a statement.
Good info as usual by Mr. Ayoob...
Read and comprehended, that’s all good advice from someone who knows from firsthand experience...
From the comfort of the LazyBoy, it’s easy for the chairborne ranger types to parse and pick, to dissect at leisure, but for the noob to CCW here’s a good foundation...
Thanks for posting, and Merry Christmas to all at FR...
Both my J-frame and my 686+ violate his Rule #1. And his #9. As for #6, in Arizona, concealed means “discrete”. Not invisible. Hard to reconcile #6 with #1 and #9.
Good advice. My number 1 rule is to consider every weapon loaded until I personally verify that it isn’t.
A while back I had a buddy who was somewhat hot-tempered. He got married, but was still flew off the handle in some situations. He eventually got a CCW and started carrying and I thought "Oh Oh".
Some months later we were talking about CCW and I mentioned that at first I had been worried about him. He said that once he started carrying, the whole weight of responsibility came down on him and he became a pussy cat. Always carried, but never told his wife (who didn't like guns) because if they got in a tight spot, he didn't want her singling him out by yelling for him to use his gun.
Soon after, she said that marrying her had "tamed" him and that he was "such a gentleman now". He smiled and said, "Yes, dear."
He was asked in an interview right after the Trevon Martin incident about legal carry. His response which I cannot repeat verbatim was essentially that a person who carries a gun also carries an increase in responsibility to NOT be in a situation in which gun play is likely.
Example: I want to walk down the sidewalk on West Washington Street in Indianapolis at 11 pm. Is that legal? yes. Do I have the right? Yes. Is it smart? No. Is it safer for me if I carry a gun? Yes. It is also very likely I'll have to draw said gun and therefore I have an increase in responsibility to NOT walk down West Washington at 11 pm.
I do agree that the last thing you want to do is shoot someone because there are life-changing repercussions even if totally justified.
I disagree with number nine, ‘Carry An Adequate Firearm’ because nobody can agree on what an “adequate firearm” is, and in 98% of defensive gun uses (DGUs), a shot is not fired anyway.
Which means that a mouse gun is as good as a cannon 98% of the time.
Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
Source: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/7.1/Gun-Facts-7.1-screen.pdf, page 21.
Fact: A victim may have a strong reluctance to talk to a government agent about a firearm brandishing incident (which are 98% of DGUs) because they may not know the act was 100% legal.
Source: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/7.1/Gun-Facts-7.1-screen.pdf, page 83.
In other words, the 98% number is probably low.
So the fact that the standard military round is 9 mm makes it a good round? Like politics didn't have anything to do with that.
Plus 5 rules of a gun fight
1) gun beats no gun
2) a hit beats a miss
3) fast beats slow (getting the gun into the fight)
4) big holes beat little holes
5) two holes beat one hole
So, CARRY means CARRY on your person. The gun that is left at home is “no gun”. A .22 that hits is worth a whole lot more than the .44 mag that misses. Getting the gun into the fight makes the other guy reconsider / take cover. Big holes bleed out faster but don’t sacrifice rules 1, 2, or 3 to carry “big”. And extra ammo always helps.
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