Munich council: To hell with Linux, we're going full Windows in 2020 (Resistance is Futile)

The Register ^ | Nov 13, 2017 | Andrew Silver

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Sounds like you have no clue about that which you speak. Ooh, I don't know.

After about 40 years in IT and software development and project management in many different corporations and many different types of businesses, I would think that I do know what I'm talking about, and likely way better than you. "LiMuX" was not cutting it, and it wasn't forward compatible with the "current way" of doing things, and most of applications which were/are written for Windows, do not get along well with Linux implementations.

So, why not prove me wrong instead of just taking a cheap shot at me?

[ShadowAce]

Because the comment you made about Linux being left behind in cloud technology is just laughable.

Does Windows even do containers? Can Windows run from removable devices? Linux is way more advanced in cloud technology (in fact, it runs most--if not all--clouds). How many Windows machines are in the Top500 list? How many are Linux?

If you want to throw around qualifications, then I've been involved with computers and IT for just a tad over 40 years myself. I have the degrees, experience, and RHCE to prove it. Those don't matter as much, though. What matters is that you throw around comments like "Going forward, Limux and many Linux distros, would have been left incompatible with the cloud way of doing things" and expect that people would just accept it, when the facts are obviously exactly the reverse of what you just said.

[GingisK]

Because I've been in the same business for 50 years,and like cheap shots. ;-D

Windows bloats, and bloats, and bloats.

[Mr. K]

she doesn’t need to

[Mr. K]

“Windows bloats, and bloats, and bloats.”

And that’s bad just ipse dixit?

make a valid argument, other than “Windows is big”

There is a good reason Windows has kicked your oh-so-superior and smug Linux’s ass since forever.

[ShadowAce]

Which is why you need to compare apples to apples. Comparing using Windows versus installing an OS (doesn’t matter which one) is worse than stupid.

[ShadowAce]

There is a good reason Windows has kicked your oh-so-superior and smug Linux’s ass since forever.

Only on the desktop--everywhere else, Linux is kicking Windows off to the curb.

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Yeah, windows bloats, and bloats, and bloats.

We’ve all heard that for more than 30 years, and yet, it’s still the go-to OS, for just about everything businesses and people do. Bloat does not matter, as long as things get faster and smarter and more thorough. Bloat is the dumb charge of the past.

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Windows does all processing that any business or individual might need or want. But, it's not Windows alone doing the work. It's the back-end services, or the cloud, that is now carrying major parts of the loads.

Removable devices? Windows has versions that can be run from removable devices.

Linux has been known as the OS behind remote computing, or servers. Even MS uses them, and now, Linux is being served within Azure.

But, the cloud is not "merely" the usage of remote servers to perform the needs of "in-house" produced applications and "in-house" developed files and data. Azure and AWS are a lot more than just "remote servers". Linux does remote servers, even as services are developed around Linux servers. Azure and Amazon and even Google, are offering "complete solutions" and not just processing services.

The top 500 list is completely irrelevant. What's more relevant is how many top 500 or top 1,000 or top 10,000 companies use Windows. It's also about how many top companies also use Azure and/or AWS or Google cloud. Heck, it's also about how many people use Windows and Azure, vs "simple" Linux on desktops.

Linux is nice and even I use it, but rarely, because, I can do everything I need via Windows and/or the cloud.

Whether you like my statements or not, Linux still years behind Windows and Azure and AWS and Google cloud. Linux alone is not a method to as many answers that are now provided by Windows and/or Azure and/or AWS and/or Google cloud and/or other cloud providers.

Linux might be behind a lot of remote servers; but a Linux stand alone cloud service is still being developed, and might be years behind the others.

With cloud services becoming available for just about everything one used to do on PCs and on local servers, even Windows and Linux and MacOS and other local OSes, may become obsolete. What the local OSes will have to become, is simple "clients" handling screens and local printers and other local connected machines. Processing and file handling and SQL/NoSQL will all be done remotely, on the cloud services.

So, how does Linux stack up against the Azure or against AWS or Google cloud or IBM cloud or any other "Everything as a service" provider?

Everything as a Service: Cloud providers solve problems in-house IT can't and do it more quickly and for less money

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/everything-as-a-service-cloud-providers-solve-problems-in-house-it-cant-and-do-it-more-quickly-and/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=27279734986876924655271145382857

[ShadowAce]

...Linux still years behind Windows and Azure and AWS and Google cloud.

Considering that Linux actually powers AWS and Google cloud, this statement makes no sense. It it pretty well follows that the rest of your argument falls flat.

[GingisK]

For some, not for all. I'm sorry you are married to your bloatware. Linux does absolutely everything I require of it, and the very same way as last time if I so choose. Besides, I can modify it if needed. Try that with yours.

OS bigots are very boring. I use what I need, when I need it, and at my choice. The best one is chosen for the individual job. Shoot, I don't even need an OS for the best things I do.

[GingisK]

Yeah, run Windows in 32K bytes and get something done. I can just dump the OS and still get the best of things done with flair. Of course, I’m a “bare metal man”.

[GingisK]

Bloat is the dumbness of the future. Who the hell needs to see what is inside his refrigerator on his phone? Just people who don’t have a real life.

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Considering that Linux actually powers AWS and Google cloud, this statement makes no sense. It it pretty well follows that the rest of your argument falls flat.

YOu can remain in denial all you wish.

Being the OS behind a lot of remote servers, is not the same as being the OS behind cloud services.

It's like pretending that Windows does cloud. Windows does cloud, but mostly at the client side. Servers at the remote site might be powered by Linux and/or Windows servers, but, that alone does not define "cloud services".

Linux may have to become a "simple" client at the local level, while being a more complex server at the remote site. IOW, Linux will have to be split up into Linux-client, which it already is for the most part when it comes to consumer level computing, and it will also have to become the the server OS that handles the actual processing and file-handling at remote sites. That is how Windows is evolving, into client software and server software (it's kind of "back to the future" computing. How many of the applications at the remote servers were specifically designed to be run as "cloud services", besides the OS itself?

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Bloat is the dumbness of the future. Who the hell needs to see what is inside his refrigerator on his phone? Just people who don’t have a real life.

You're either being very ignorant of the issue, or just busting balls.

FACT: a refrigerator app is NOT past of Windows or even MacOS or even Linux. IOW, not part of the OS bloat that many have complained about previously.

BTW, bloat in an OS is via the requests and needs that many have offered in the past to be included as part of the OSes. Meanwhile, any OS can be made skinny, by removing a lot of the specialized functions that will be served via cloud services. Thus, there will be a skinny Windows and what you call a "bloated" Windows, with most people getting the skinny version, because they won't have a need for the "fat" version.

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It sounds like you're happy with YOUR Linux. Good for you. But, it's not for everybody, and it's lacking for many, like the IT department at Munich.

Whatever suits your needs, should be enough, and there is no need to attack other people's preferences. I don't love Windows, but it's the prevalent way of doing things with PCs. I use what works and makes work easier to get done. Windows does everything I need or want, and then some!

[GingisK]

The very best trait of computing is that it is many things to many people. The notion that is can be done anyway on most any chuck of hardware scaled to any size is just plain mind-boggling. Software has always tickled my brain, and I am sure it does yours.

I have 32K processors communicating by cell modules to a couple of cloud servers. One is Linux, the other is Windows. I am using homemade protocols and popular IOT protocols, depending on the application and customer preference. The cold hard truth is, I love the whole pile of crap end-to-end.

I do, however, enjoy being the devil's advocate. There is a demon within me that cries to get out as often as possible. ;-D

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See? I knew I could find a reasonable and understanding person in the room.

I don’t care what people use, as long as it serves their needs and doesn’t become burdensome with high costs or complex/complicated handling.

Munich had problems in all directions, mostly stemming from an IT department which made their initial decisions by hating on Microsoft and loving Linux(which is always popular to do).

[ShadowAce]

IOW, Linux will have to be split up into Linux-client, which it already is for the most part when it comes to consumer level computing, and it will also have to become the the server OS that handles the actual processing and file-handling at remote sites.

What is the name of that rock you're living under?

Linux has been designed client/server for about 99% if it's existence. IOW--it's always been client/server. I don't know where you've spent your 40 years of IT experience, but obviously it hasn't been around Linux. Give it up since you do not know what you are talking about.

Being the OS behind a lot of remote servers, is not the same as being the OS behind cloud services.

Do you read what you type? Services run on top of an OS. That OS is what runs the service. Linux runs the cloud. Do you even know what the cloud is? It's remote servers. That's all it is. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Since Linux runs on those remote servers, Linux runs the cloud services mentioned (AWS and Google).

Windows does a fine job on the desktop. It's a nice little toy and collection of utilities. It's those utilities that most people mistake for an OS, and become addicted to. I use it on one of my monitors while the other two are dedicated to my Linux OS where my important work gets done.

[ShadowAce]

Munich had problems in all directions, mostly stemming from an IT department which made their initial decisions by hating on Microsoft and loving Linux(which is always popular to do).

IF that was why they made the initial decision, then it was the wrong decision. Software is a tool. Use the tool that gets the job done.