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Expert Witnesses in Motorcycle Gang Crimes Testify in Twin Peaks Shootout Trial
ExpertPages ^ | 11/1/2017 | T.C. Kelly

Posted on 11/03/2017 3:28:22 PM PDT by Elderberry

A 2015 shootout at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas resulted in a charge of “directing organized criminal activity” against Jacob “Jake” Carrizal in McClelland County Court. The prosecution claims that Carrizal is a leader of the Dallas chapter of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, and that he directed its members to bring guns to a confrontation with the Cossacks motorcycle gang. Carrizal is also charged with two counts of engaging in organized criminal activity.

To prove the more serious charge, prosecutors must prove that Carrizal directed a criminal gang to commit an assault upon members of the Cossacks. The defense contends that the Bandidos were attacked by the Cossacks and merely defended themselves. The defense also denies that the Bandidos are a criminal gang.

To prove that “organized criminal activity” occurred, the prosecution is relying on the testimony of expert witnesses. The use of police officers as gang experts has become increasingly common, but the admission of their testimony can be controversial.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Local News; Miscellaneous; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: biker; waco

1 posted on 11/03/2017 3:28:22 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

Who attended the Midwest Motorcycle Gang Investigators Association meeting in Waco a few weeks later?

Were they scheduled to present the Shootout at the TP Corral event a a model action?


2 posted on 11/03/2017 3:34:45 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Elderberry
Do the Bandidos wear "1%er" patches? Because my understanding is that it's like wearing a sign saying "I'm an outlaw."

Some motorcycle magazine in the distant past declared "only 1% of motorcycle riders are criminal" causing outlaw bikers to proudly wear that patch. I always wondered if someone could use that in court.
3 posted on 11/03/2017 3:36:14 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Elderberry

Police officers testifying as “expert witnesses”? No conflict of interest there, no sirree.


4 posted on 11/03/2017 3:43:11 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Elderberry

Sounds like not going as planned


5 posted on 11/03/2017 4:03:56 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: \/\/ayne
“1% give the other 99% of motorcycle enthusiasts a bad name”
6 posted on 11/03/2017 4:07:07 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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To: \/\/ayne
Do the Bandidos wear "1%er" patches?

Some do...and specifically the defendant Jake Carrizal did.

Not sure that proves anything in court, but most bikers would recognize it as an outlaw sign.

7 posted on 11/03/2017 4:15:09 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Elderberry

“against Jacob “Jake” Carrizal”

Jake is a nickname for guys named Jacob ?

This guy isn’t going to get away with this !


8 posted on 11/03/2017 4:16:43 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: \/\/ayne

Sometimes a patch is just a patch.


9 posted on 11/03/2017 4:17:08 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: Elderberry

“Expert witnesses” = the biggest liars in the court industry.


10 posted on 11/03/2017 4:23:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: colorado tanker
Lying (while under oath & Testfying) is called "TESTILYING."

I'll bet that their's a whole lot of TESTILYING going on in this trial, and that's not me saying it (Hey I'm just a piss-ant) it's Alan Dershowitz Harvard Law School professor.

Here's a small taste of what Alan Dershowitz had to say about TESTILYING.

Alan Dershowitz Reference: "TESTILYING" Testilying http://www.constitution.org/lrev/dershowitz_test_981201.htm

Testimony of Alan M. Dershowitz House of Representatives Judiciary Committee December 1, 1998

My name is Alan M. Dershowitz and I have been teaching criminal law at Harvard Law School for 35 years. I have also participated in the litigation — especially at the appellate level — of hundreds of federal and state cases, many of them involving perjury and the making of false statements. I have edited a casebook on criminal law and have written 10 books and hundreds of articles dealing with subjects relating to the issues before this committee. It is an honor to have been asked to share my experience and expertise with you all here today.

For nearly a quarter century, I have been teaching, lecturing and writing about the corrosive influences of perjury in our legal system, especially when committed by those whose job it is to enforce the law, and ignored — or even legitimized — by those whose responsibilities it is to check those who enforce the law.

On the basis of my academic and professional experience, I believe that no felony is committed more frequently in this country than the genre of perjury and false statements. Perjury during civil depositions and trials is so endemic that a respected appellate judge once observed that "experienced lawyers say that, in large cities, scarcely a trial occurs in which some witness does not lie." He quoted a wag to the effect that cases often are decided "according to the preponderance of perjury."[1] Filing false tax returns and other documents under pains and penalties of perjury is so rampant that everyone acknowledges that only a tiny fraction of offenders can be prosecuted. Making false statements to a law enforcement official is so commonplace that the Justice Department guidelines provide for prosecution of only some categories of this daily crime. Perjury at criminal trials is so common that whenever a defendant testifies and is found guilty, he has presumptively committed perjury.[2] Police perjury in criminal cases - particularly in the context of searches and other exclusionary rule issues - is so pervasive that the former police chief of San Jose and Kansas City has estimated that "hundreds of thousands of law-enforcement officers commit felony perjury every year testifying about drug arrests" alone.[3]

11 posted on 11/03/2017 4:26:19 PM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's lie, only while testifying, as taught in their respected Police Academy(s).)
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To: Elderberry

Arrest him on the way in the door.

If he knows that much, he is a Criminal Biker Gang Member.


12 posted on 11/03/2017 5:07:40 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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To: Elderberry

“At least a dozen local and state police officers, including a SWAT team, were positioned outside the restaurant, conducting surveillance on the meeting. The police contributed to the gun battle, but they have refused to say how many of the nine deaths and eighteen injuries were caused by police shootings. No officers were injured.”

Months and months ago, tests on recovered projectiles were supposedly underway to determine which firearms hit whom.
At this point, for “the police” to refuse to state how many were shot by police, would be an outrageous situation that a good Defense attorney should eat alive, by 1) calling for summary dismissal or mistrial for discovery violation; and after that was denied; 2) making it very clear to the jury that the State is in possession of that evidence but refused to share the results with the jury. Wonder why? The reasonable doubt conclusion is that the State is hiding the fact that most of the fatalities were the result of a police turkey shoot. It is incumbent on the Prosecution to prove its case. Proving the Bandidos actually shot multiple persons is the alpha and omega of this case (I assume the State is playing up this “criminal gang” angle for want of evidence of actual crimes). Perhaps the Defense should ask about the relationship of the Waco PD with the Cossacks, and whether the PD was at Twin Peaks to act as security for their Cossack partners; the cops certainly brought their tools.


13 posted on 11/03/2017 5:23:47 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Stanwood_Dave

Based on my 35 years of practice, I’d say Dershowitz is spot on.


14 posted on 11/03/2017 5:43:56 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Chewbarkah

Apparently the “State” never figured out all of the .38/.357 ballistics as to who shot who. Big gap in culpability there.


15 posted on 11/03/2017 7:46:06 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Paladin2

I haven’t followed every detail of the case, but weren’t some of the wounds caused by high velocity rifle projectiles — likely .223 or .30 at fairly close range — that only the police were firing?


16 posted on 11/04/2017 6:53:49 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Chewbarkah
I haven’t followed every detail of the case, but weren’t some of the wounds caused by high velocity rifle projectiles — likely .223 or .30 at fairly close range — that only the police were firing?

• Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44 Cossack shot by LE • Wayne Lee Campbell, 43 Cossack shot by LE • Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, Cossack shot by LE • Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr., 47, Cossack shot by LE

17 posted on 11/04/2017 8:17:11 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

Thanks. I just read your 9-26-17 post also — very good on specifics. Besides your four definite LE hits, there appear to be a lot of maybes by undercover operatives.


18 posted on 11/04/2017 11:51:06 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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