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To: Swordmaker

In 1970 Ford was the first domestic car manufacturer to sell a new car with radial tires as standard equipment. Radial tires have advantages over bias ply tires, mostly notably lessened rolling resistance and improved tread wear. To me this seems very analogous to a phone with a multitouch input device as compared to previous generation touch input devices.

Radial tires didn’t radically improve the characteristics of the Lincoln Continental Mark III. But these days all tires installed on new cars are radials. Essentially the only ones who still put bias plies on cars are vintage car collectors such as my wife and I.

Maybe Ford should have sued all the other domestic manufacturers for stealing “their” idea when they started copying Ford and putting radials on their new cars? Maybe Citroën should have sued Ford for stealing their idea?

I purchased my first drawing tablet that I connected to a desktop computer through a serial port to use with photo editing and other graphics design programs long before the first iPhone was released. And no, you generally do not need to use a stylus to use the touchscreen on earlier drawing tablets, phones or tablets. But a stylus takes better advantage of the greater precision most touch devices had before multitouch. These days professional drawing tablets that I am aware of are still all designed to use a stylus type device for greater precision.


45 posted on 10/28/2017 11:21:42 AM PDT by fireman15
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In 1970 Ford was the first domestic car manufacturer to sell a new car with radial tires as standard equipment. Radial tires have advantages over bias ply tires, mostly notably lessened rolling resistance and improved tread wear. To me this seems very analogous to a phone with a multitouch input device as compared to previous generation touch input devices.

it is not at all analogous. A multitouch screen that allows finger input is a huge shift in function. The user can now do far more than just point and select by tapping on the screen with a stylus for accuracy. The degree of redesign of software required to implement a multitouch is several orders of magnitude greater than a mere X grid detection. This shows how little you grasp the degrees of complexity involved between a single touch screen and a screen that can accept input from two or more simultaneous touches and distinguish what movement they are making and what to do about them.

Then to overlay them on a graphical screen and make it interactive? Raise it another order of magnitude in complexity.

Comparing that to a simple change in the way a radial tire relates to banded tires is just not on the same level of technology. . . and that is why YOU do not grasp the sea change it brought about in phones and user interfaces.

Claiming the multi-touch capacitance screen is analogous to radial tires improvement over regular tires is like claiming that movies are an improvement over still photos. . . after all, you semi-reason, they both convey images. so a full-length feature movie is just a slight improvement over a snapshot.p> My Renault R16 already had Radial Tires in 1967. . . but you cannot demonstrate any multitouch capacitance screened phones prior to the iPhone introduction in 2007. NONE. There was only one capacitance screened phone prior to the iPhone, the LG-Prada, which used the old single-touch, button to scroll protocols. It did not break any new ground in user interfacing. You keep claiming the iPhone did nothing new that had not already been done before, but you can't demonstrate the truth of your claims at all, merely pointing to something that was "sort of like, but not exactly, in a primitive fashion" of what the iPhone does. . . that is NOT proof of anything.

Ford couldn't sue anyone for Arthur W. Savage's 1915 radial tire invention, because they did not invent it. By 1970, radial Tires were in the public domain for anyone to use. Again, you are throwing your facturd ideas against the wall, hoping the general readers will believe your idiotic claims intended to smear Apple. Apple DID invent the multi-touch capacitance screen on mobile devices. They STILL hold the patents. So much for your idiotic analogies that don't hold water in debates about FACTS, not facturds.

I purchased my first drawing tablet that I connected to a desktop computer through a serial port to use with photo editing and other graphics design programs long before the first iPhone was released. And no, you generally do not need to use a stylus to use the touchscreen on earlier drawing tablets, phones or tablets. But a stylus takes better advantage of the greater precision most touch devices had before multitouch. These days professional drawing tablets that I am aware of are still all designed to use a stylus type device for greater precision.

So the Frick WHAT? I had one too. If you touched it in another place while you were touching it with your stylus, you confused the hell out of it, because it could not distinguish which was the correct signal to use. It was a SINGLE TOUCH resistive panel. Did it have a video screen behind it? Most likely not. Those were rare birds and very expensive and not very accurate at all because raster screen were too dependent on changes in voltage for positioning and over time, the screen display shrank while the sensor grids did not, requiring continual recalibration.

If you duplicated that drawing tablet and started selling a competing version, don't you think the maker of the drawing tablet would not have SUED YOU for patent infringement and rightly so? I recall several lawsuits on that very subject where the inventor of the drawing tablet sued makers of knockoffs. . . and won.

Wacom Patent Infringement Suit

Did that drawing table have a screen? No, it did not. Now even Wacom licenses their multi-touch screen technology from Apple. . . because Apple invented it.

I can point to NO invention in the history of technology that did not have some predecessor in technology or science that came before it. That is the essence of your arguments against Apple inventing anything. Using that argument, nobody ever invented anything because according to you, everything had something that preceded it. That is literally true.

Using that way of thinking, my Great, great Grandfather, Alexander Graham Bell, really did not invent the telephone. . . he innovated it out of numerous other technologies that already existed. Frankly, I am in agreement with numerous other scholars that think he was not the true inventor of the telephone but likely stole it. . . but the fact is that others had demonstrated transmission of sound prior to Bell. Edison did not invent the lightbulb, as there were even commercial versions of the electric light bulb selling before his, but HIS was the first practical one that really worked and kept working, in fact as much as 20 years prior to Edison. The Wright Brothers were not the first to fly a heavier than air powered aircraft, but they kept at it even though their designs were flawed. Everyone of these had technology that preceded their inventions. . . just as did the iPhone. . . but every one of them made a sea change in technology that affected everything in their industries. They were not just "Innovations" but actual "Inventions."

If you think there is a real "Invention" out there that was not preceded by other technology, please tell us what it was.

46 posted on 10/28/2017 2:56:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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