Posted on 10/02/2017 12:15:32 PM PDT by heterosupremacist
Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock had 19 weapons stashed in his hotel room to carry out his massacre — including a collection of rifles and handguns, according to a report.
Experts said Paddock’s weapon of choice was likely a fully automatic rifle, given witness accounts of the gunfire, according to New York Magazine.
The weapon is especially tough for a civilian to obtain, the mag said.
The experts pointed to the pattern of the “bursts” of gunfire in concluding that Paddock used at least one automatic weapon.
“I hear ONE fully automatic rifle. Shoots 90 rounds x2 30 second reloads,” tweeted US intelligence expert Malcolm Nance.
Paddock could have used a machine gun or military-style assault rifle, both of which would have the range to reach concertgoers from his high-rise hotel room and fire multiple bullets with a single squeeze of the trigger...
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
plunging fire?
“...firing them as quickly as possible until the weapon fails. It usually happens at well over 1,000 rounds. That’s using both drum and standard 30 round magazines.”
The indefinite sustained-fire rates permitted under armed forces regulations are much, much lower than most people imagine. Probably set that way to maximize useful service life and reduce parts breakage.
M14 and M16 rifles: 20-30 rds/min
Machine guns (open bolt, air cooled): 60 rds/min.
In action, all bets are off.
There are tales from the Falkand Islands War of 1982, about the British firing their L7 guns (license-built FN MAG) until the barrels became white hot, then swapping them out, laying the hot barrel on the frosty ground where it would sizzle.
Old hands from US Army and USMC have told me that if one fired five magazines (100 rds) as quick as one could through the M1918 BAR, the barrel was toast. Recommended burst length even in tactical situations was 3-5 rds.
You’re not alone in those thoughts.
Drums aren’t illegal. Any competent machinist can modify. hussein sotero had 8 yrs to seed his minions throughout the military. Lots of stuff goes missing. They came from the local cartel connection. I’m sure there is regular route to LV from Mexico.
Except the FBI is on record as defying that and is known to retain those records.
Back when I first obtained a Nevada carry permit, a person was required to qualify on the range with every weapon that they intended to carry. Since at the time I had never carried before, I had no real idea which of the seven handguns I owned at the time would be best to carry. So, I qualified with all of them and the make and model of each of them appeared on the back of my permit.
I stayed at a casino in Reno on the weekend that I qualified. Nobody took any notice of me carrying a fairly large hard-sided Winchester gun case up to my room.
As others wondered about, I made use of the "Do Not Disturb" sign to keep the maid out of my room during the entire stay. The last thing any gun owner would want to do is to lose track of a firearm.
Have you ever seen a drop table for any caliber of modern ammunition? Have you ever taken a course in physics? Have you ever hunted, or even fired a rifle of any caliber at a target?
Your post is pure BS.
Have you ever had a target two blocks wide. And 300 yards away. Using a fully automatic weapon you have to deliver a thousand rounds and reload several times in ten minutes while the room fills with smoke. He is not aiming too hard. He needs to shoot and see what he hits and adjust. From the beginning of the first shot it was ten minutes before he put the last bullet in his own head. So to hit over 500 people he did not aim carefully. He didn’t have to.
And yes drop tables explain why the Kent State killings occurred. The guard shot over the head of the demonstrators and hit students several hundred yards away in the head and neck. The guard had no idea bullets fall.
From the shooters vantage point in Vegas, their were stands opposite him. Behind that were parking lots where people were milling around listening but not paying for the concert. For about two blocks he had a crowd as a target. and he could walk it down all the way to the strip 200 feet in front of him. I bet they have a victim map later in the week and many of the dead/wounded will be out side the arena.
“FWIW, I analyzed the audio track of that first string — using my video editor.
It ran for 10 seconds at a rate of 12 rounds/second, for a total of 120 rounds at a 720 RPM cyclic rate — and the rate was surprisingly constant and regular.”
Perhaps the most useful piece of intel on this thread IMO. I also think the lack of a letter or some sort of rant from the a-hole shooter is very, very strange.
At 400 yards for a .308 or a 5.56mm, bullet drop is double digit inches, a few feet.
At the 32nd story, he is ~ 320 feet above ground level. If he shoots parallel to the ground the bullets will go over the crowd by at least 300 feet.
In order to put bullets into the crowd he must shoot down at a negative elevation angle.
Now the crowd is a big target, easy to hit, but your description of how to hit is is just plain wrong.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-look-guns-used-las-vegas-shooters-hotel-room-163623120.html
No drums here. Large capacity magazines.
That first, continuous 10-second sting I analyzed consisted of far more rounds (120) than any linear magazine can hold and feed reliably.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I have not yet analyzed other audio. It could be that on that first string he used a weapon that was "not like the others"...
We absolutely don’t have all of the info yet. Reports of multiple firearms including one on a tripod will make this interesting. Since aiming for a target wasn’t part of his plan two could have been used at either the same time or in quick sequence.
If you got the "tripod"description from the media, remember that they are blatheringly ignorant of gun facts.
(For many experienced shooters, a bipod serves far more frequently as a "kickstand" or prop than as a shooting aid... (Not everyone enjoys lying prone in the dirt, with the muzzle brake blast blowing sand into their eyes...)
Yes, the report I read was of a tripod. Stand and shoot, swivel tripods for AR’s are available, and would make more sense in this particular application.
If you run across a link to one of those stand-up AR tripods, please pass it along!
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Of course, I'm sure I could quickly rig a clamp or cradle that attaches to the 1/4-20 stud on a camera tripod -- or, better yet, the smaller of my telescope tripods, which is far sturdier...
But, I have no reason to do so, since I have a good bench at my range, and prefer to shoot from pads, rather than hard rests... [Besides, we octogenerian old coots would rather sit than stand -- any day...] '-)
Forgot Magpul made the 100 rd mags.
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