Posted on 10/02/2017 12:15:32 PM PDT by heterosupremacist
Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock had 19 weapons stashed in his hotel room to carry out his massacre — including a collection of rifles and handguns, according to a report.
Experts said Paddock’s weapon of choice was likely a fully automatic rifle, given witness accounts of the gunfire, according to New York Magazine.
The weapon is especially tough for a civilian to obtain, the mag said.
The experts pointed to the pattern of the “bursts” of gunfire in concluding that Paddock used at least one automatic weapon.
“I hear ONE fully automatic rifle. Shoots 90 rounds x2 30 second reloads,” tweeted US intelligence expert Malcolm Nance.
Paddock could have used a machine gun or military-style assault rifle, both of which would have the range to reach concertgoers from his high-rise hotel room and fire multiple bullets with a single squeeze of the trigger...
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Keeping the maid out is easy..Just hang a DO NOT DISTURB sign outside door. We do it because the dog travels with us, and we leave him in hotel room when going out for food. The dog could be aggressive with a stranger (the maid).
“Or, is that just typical gun ignorance talking...?”
No, it’s atypical gun ignorance. I own plenty of guns, but not an AR. My son, however, does own one. A little research on my part found that yes, there are many ammo drums available for an AR.
Now since you are an expert, please tell me with complete confidence that they will handle the feed rate of a full auto AR rather than the semi-automatics that they were made for without modification.
I just talked to a retired Army Ranger who works on our car. He seemed to think they sounded modified.
Given he had a pilots license, he could have gotten them south of the border. It will be interesting to see where he flew to.
Wouldn’t that be something if he had some Fast and Furious guns?
“please tell me with complete confidence that they will handle the feed rate of a full auto AR rather than the semi-automatics that they were made for without modification.”
I’ve seen it done with absolutely no modifications to the magazine, drum or standard.
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I saw the same chart. That works out to a total of about 650 yards.
Nothing regarding that and all those bullets the Obama admin bought would surprise me. I think this is part of the Marxist asshole agenda.
That’s easy. When I stay in hotels I put the do-not-disturb sign on my door, and they don’t bother the room.
I think you’re right. There seem to be numerous “oddities” to this whole story.
I’m waiting to see how they shake out.
The only drum I have first hand experience with was for a .22 semi, and squeezing rounds off too quickly made it jam up. Not that a .22 is a .223, I know. I would think the heat build up after the first 20-30 rounds would be significant.
There are a couple of YouTube videos out there of full auto M-16 “meltdowns”, firing them as quickly as possible until the weapon fails. It usually happens at well over 1,000 rounds. That’s using both drum and standard 30 round magazines.
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The background check records are not to be kept, but the record of the gun purchase is kept by a Federally licensed firearms dealer indefinitely—i.e. forever.
And these records are to be produced upon any request by the Feds.
Better than even chance that they were weapons that his FBI’s most wanted list father had owned.
Perhaps you're right: AR drums that really DO work may be illegal, AFAIK... '-)
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FWIW, I analyzed the audio track of that first string -- using my video editor.
It ran for 10 seconds at a rate of 12 rounds/second, for a total of 120 rounds at a 720 RPM cyclic rate -- and the rate was surprisingly constant and regular.
This 64YO always travels with a cased long gun. No one notices.
One never knows if a crazed Commie or Antifa thug will try to kill Republicans.
Be curious to see if he had a `Slidefire’ on the AR. His target was a huge group of people and accuracy wasn’t that important. Doesn’t sound like he was really aiming, might have just laid down a beaten path and people were walking right into it.
beaten zone
http://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/TBS/B3N4478%20Machine%20Gun%20Employment.pdf
Shooting straight down there was very little deflection.
I forget the name for that kind of shot.
“... there are many ammo drums available for an AR.
Now since you are an expert, please tell me with complete confidence that they will handle the feed rate of a full auto AR ...”
Drum magazines aren’t the only hi-capacity devices available.
There are upper-receiver units for AR-15-type rifles (5.56x45mm NATO, almost identical to 223 Remington) that can accept the disintegrating link belts used in the M-249 Squad Automatic Weapon (modified from FN’s Minimi). No upper limit to length of belt. Legally, they are not firearms so no licensing is required to make one, and no background check is required under federal law to sell them. They are not cheap.
Hadn’t heard about any such equivalent modern accessory for AR-10-type rifles (7.62x51 NATO, almost identical to 308 Winchester); but such devices have been around for many years. Initial experimental models (1950s) were made with belt-feed capabilities.
But even without such fancy accessories, magazine changes with standard military-style magazines (30 rounds in 5.56 NATO, 20 to 25 rounds in 7.62 NATO) don’t take long.
MIL SPEC magazines for M16 and M4 arms are no different from magazines sold for semi-only AR-15-type rifles, so magazine spring pressure required for smooth feed in full-auto fire is not a factor here.
The range from the perp’s window to the crowd may seem long to an average civilian, but is well within the capabilities of either NATO cartridge.
5.56mm M855 - standard US rifle round since the 1980s, available anywhere - has exhibited better penetration against helmet material at 850m than the US 30M2, the standard rifle round used in WWII through the 1970s, in the M1 Garand and other 30-06 arms (M1918 BAR, Browning machine guns M1917, M1919 and various aircraft guns). Might be difficult for the uninformed to accept, but the bullet in the M855 is boat-tail, a better aerodynamic shape than 30M2, which fired a 153gr flat-base bullet.
Max effective range of 7.62 NATO (also fires a boat-tail bullet) fired from a mechine gun on a rigid mount is something beyond 3,700 yards, or more than two statute miles.
So the perp here wasn’t facing any great challenges, not against a large, soft target like a crowd.
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