Posted on 09/04/2017 1:28:45 PM PDT by Hostage
'War Hides Our Crimes'
For those that have known my views over the last two decades on FR, you know then that I am not a conspiracy enthusiast, seldom comment on assembling facts under some weird far-fetched theory. But that was before I saw CNN go full fake with others following suit, before learning that Jeff Bezos and his Washington Post are tools of the CIA, before confirming that the NY Times is a mouthpiece for holdovers of the Clinton regime and Hillary's State Dept, etc. It is still a numbing experience to realize the blatant insanity of the Left now out in full view for everyone to see yet they persist as if their hypocrisy and deception did not exist or did not matter. The Left's motives were always known but in years past it was always kept mostly out of sight but not so now. Now it is front and center. The Left doesn't even bother to hide it anymore. Truth does not matter to these people.
So dare to ask a crazy conspiracy question, dare to question authority but keep it sane, keep it plausible. By asking such questions, we may feel uncomfortable but we demonstrate we are not fools. We can agree with our President's statements, plans, and policies regarding North Korea, we can remain with him, but we need not be thought of as sheep to be herded by Deep State media. We can and should question everything they say.
The central question of relevance is then:
WHAT DOES NORTH KOREA HAVE TO GAIN BY LAUNCHING AN ICBM WITH AN H2 BOMB?
Some answers though irrational are offered below.
However first, we have observed facts from Deep State actors. For example, Petraeus was in NYC in February this year at a poorly attended talk with four other panelists and focused solely on North Korea and what a threat they are because for example, they built a bridge in record time (???), and because of these things it was necessary to bomb them. There is video of this talk and it is bizarre, to say the least. My take on Petraeus after hearing this talk was I wouldn't trust Petraeus further than I could throw him. I think he's an utterly compromised tool.
Many people of repute silently believe Petraeus has been tasked to lead the 'Deep State' in a process of slow soft coup against our President. Maybe, maybe not. The known facts do not implicate him and they at the same time don't clear him. Because he is untrustworthy in my view, I remain suspicious of him. That suspicion is his doing, not mine. He has done NOTHING to build trust with the American people. In fact, he has done the opposite. The same investigators of repute believe Petraeus is tasked to preserve the corruption, the pay-to-play, the illicit arms and drug trade, CIA rogue operators, the swift march towards world government and globalism, and to execute all the sordid 'games' played to preserve the Elite's corrupt power structure. I don't have enough information to dismiss such suspicions but at the same time, I can't be comfortable knowing it's all just a load of conspiracy huey.
Given the facts we now know about Petraeus, the above is not as far-fetched as we would think.
Next, note that investigators are closing in on the Clinton Foundation, the Awan Muslim Brotherhood Spy Ring, Huma Abedin as a Saudi Spy, and other 'Swamp' related persons and events, THEN SUDDENLY North Korea is reported to have detonated an H2 Bomb causing an earthquake of 6+.
Who reported this? Who verified it? Should we be asking these types of questions?
Say the H2 bomb report is true. Why is it in NK's interest to do such a thing?
Here's my take:
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NK is a Hell on Earth according to hundreds of independently reported testimonies of people that have escaped it. The workers are forced to work hours so long (~2 days off per month) and without complaint that they develop terrible pains and they are not allowed to breathe one word of complaint. They also suffer terrible hunger. To deal with their pain and keep their energy up, they take methamphetamine handed out by government dispensaries. It is estimated conservatively that 30% to 50% of the NK population is addicted to meth.
NK methamphetamine is reported to be of high quality, purity, and potency. It is said to have a bluish tint and is distinctively known as 'Blue Ice'. It costs only $10/lb to manufacture and is valued at $30k/lb. The NK government reportedly takes in $100B+/year from meth export as a means of acquiring badly needed revenue.
Pretty girls and fair looking young boys are said to be sold into sex trafficking. Those that are not attractive are sold into indentured servitude aka slavery. Devastating poverty and lack of revenue have created a vertical structure of official hands out for payment with a diabolical ethos that has fallen into a moral abyss into the insanity of Hell.
Why in the backdrop of all this Hell on Earth would the psychopath Kim Jong-Un execute at breakneck speed a program to acquire a hydrogen bomb and delivery system? And more important is the question who in the hell is helping this crazy son-of-a-bitch?
Here's my view: The victims of North Korea are human, and as humans, they rely on any hope they can attach to. The only hope they can think of is if some 'force in the world' will see their plight and rescue them. Thus, Kim Jong-Un's answer to his own people removes all hope because in directing the acquisition of such terrible weapons, his message is NO ONE DARE ATTACK HIS REGIME. Game over for the people of North Korea. ****************************************************************
So then, would this conclusion if valid acquit David Petraeus and render him one of the 'good guys'? HELL NO!
David Petraeus, and by his name is meant the entire seditious, traitorous, globalist opposition to America's quest to revive its prominence and dignity (MAGA), David Petraeus has been ordered to find a distraction, any distraction that would slow the placing of a noose around Deep STate actors and networks. Just as Mueller was brought in the back door to slow the Trump Administration's progress towards closing in on the seditious cabal, programmed to find any pretext for charging the President or his trusted circle with obstruction of justice, David Petraeus was tasked to find a 'hot point' anywhere on the globe for which to create chaos and distraction. That is my inference. And the bastard found such a hot point in North Korea. Congratulations David. You've done your damned despicable job.
Now, who has helped North Korea gain this ability? I don't know. Pakistan is certainly a factor. But the Obama years certainly do not allow one to think that North Korea's efforts were slowed. Whoever helped Kim Jong-Un to do this still does not absolve Petraeus from reaping the wrath of Americans who are awakening.
Let me put it to you this way David, should President Trump in the next moment launch an attack on North Korea, Americans including yours truly will be behind him 100%+ and never abandon him. But don't think for a second that we've forgotten about you and those you are protecting.
No matter what happens David, we are coming after you. WE ARE STILL GOING TO COME AFTER YOU AND YOUR NETWORK!
Ok, thanks for the affirmation that President Trump responded to the H-Bomb detonation. I am inclined now to believe NK has a real H-Bomb.
Nonetheless, in this age, it is necessary to trace and check the veracity of news reports from any corporate news outlet.
Referring back to the discussion that McCain and his neocons (led by Petraeus) will attempt to take the war machine into hyperdrive on the Korean peninsula prolonging its operation to becoming a never-ending conflict in the manner that was done in Iraq and Afghanistan, note that President Trump apparently has another plan.
With reference to Petraeus’s suspected plan for a prolonged Korean conflict, President Trump has stated in the press that he will finish the conflict quickly referencing General Mattis’s statement that it would take 15 minutes to wipe out the NK regime. This, to me, is a clear message to McCain, Graham, and Petraeus that there will be no profiteering in the Korean conflict.
I don't call that research - merely finding articles that fit some preconceived notions.
As to some particulars - the two main items:
First:
1. 1. Trump, McMaster and the Petraeus legacy (Asia Times) http://www.atimes.com/article/trump-mcmaster-petraeus-legacy A primer on the reality of David Petraeuss legacy.
But the present ruin of Iraq and Syria is the direct result of the surge, which bought a temporary peace in Mesopotamia at the price of arming a Sunni resistance that eventually backed ISIS.
That was written by: David Paul Goldman (born September 27, 1951) is an American economist,[1] music critic, and author, best known for his series of online essays in the Asia Times under the pseudonym Spengler.
What makes "Spengler" and expert on the topic, by education, background or experience? Zero, zip, nada. Just a guy no better than any other guy, with an opinion.
And what he wrote uses a flimsy premise that does not hold up to the empirical evidence. He writes as if "Petreaus" set out with a plan to destabilize Iraq and beyond and sold it to G.W.Bush as the surge. That's not only nutty, it is not what happened. The surge did work. Iraq WAS on the road to a stable security situation. Regular formal "Al Queda" units and what became known as ISIS were hurting, ineffective and getting no where.
What happened then, Petreaus? No. What happened was Obama and Maliki. Obama wanted his deal with the Mullahs in Tehran, and with that goal in mind did not irritate them with a SOFA agreement with Maliki, for a minor but strong continued security role for the U.S. in Iraq. So, no SOFA agreement, and no significant U.S. security role in Iraq? Part of Petreaus and GWBush's idea? No. Obama's.
Then Maliki began governing as a Shiite more than an Iraq, decimated the top professional ranks of the Iraqi military with cronies and stooges, turned his state security apparatus into a tool for witch hunts, arrests and incarceration of political opponents, as well as rewarding Shiite politicians and THEIR constituents, and dissing Sunnis.
Maliki and Obama together changed the stable situation there were left into the stew that ISIS set out to take advantage of.
That was not Petreaus doing. So "Spengler's" whole premise that "the surge" created ISIS and disorder in Iraq does not pass the smell test.
Next: 2. Petraeus planning massive war in Syria http://rickwells.us/report-mcmaster-petraeus-planning-unilateral-war-syria-150000-us-troops
I have no doubt that under Obama and with Trump the question has been asked - how can WE take out Assad militarily. It would be dumb if neither Obama nor Trump ever asked that question. Due diligence would require it, no matter what either Obama or Trump's preconceived ideas on it were. It would also be expected that in answer to such a question, American military officers with rank and experience in the Middle East would be asked, and would say, privately and publicly in different forums, what such an effort would take.
Translating all that into those who have expressed an opinion on it as "selling", or "marketing" that answer - as if "pushing it", is the stuff of conspiracy theories, not learned study.
What is presented in that matter is no more than one guy says it, and a bunch of other places pick it up and repeat & regurgitate it, and that mere repetition - in some sources I wouldn't give the time of day to - is supposed to make the argument "stronger"? No way.
Petraeus also instructed McMaster to remove Bannon from the NSC.
"Instructed"??? McMaster?? No PROOF whatsoever.
You call the item below "research"??
In May 2017 Petraeus continues to market war and floats the prospect of war with China. (Video 2.5 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COnkA3muUrU
All that is presented is two guys giving their personal take on what Petreaus said, and not a word of what Petreaus said. What you really get from it is not a Petreaus world view of things as much as their own - the U.S. is a warmonger. Petreaus is an American general. What did they think an American general was going to talk about, economics??? "marketing" war No proof.
The rest you gave is just the endless repetition of things disparaging about Petreaus. It surely paints him in a negative light, some which could be true.
HOWEVER none of it represents any proof that Trump is the puppet and Petraeus and McMaster the puppet masters PUSHING "their" wars on Trump.
Look I would be the last one found among any cheerleaders for McMaster, but that is mainly derived from nothing you presented, and nothing concerning Petreaus. It comes from his work with an international think tank that was pushing for the deal Obama made with the Mullahs of Tehran. We don't have his private input to them on that issue, but we do have the result of their work lobbying for the deal.
But your "proofs" of Petreaus-McMaster conspiracy begin with premises:
"the surge failed and caused the calamity in Iraq which helped ISIS" - wrong - Obama and Maliki threw away all the gains that followed the surge
Petreaus "selling" massive U.S. ground war in Syria and he and McMaster are "pushing it" on Trump. NO PROOF. They are generals; they've been asked for opinions; they've given them; and so have others; and so have other ideas been offered. I don't see Trump taking on Russia in Syria. Better letting them stew in that mess themselves, while we help the Kurds against ISIS, which is what Trump has been doing.
Would I rather not see McMaster at the NSC? Yes.
Selling conspiracy theories won't get us there.
Waddaya think about this thread article Fred? A bit too heavy on the vast deep state conspiracy?
bkmk
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