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There’s a whole lot more to that torque horsepower relationship than your simplistic equation in post #30 though and you know it,

No. There isn't. There are design constraints that dictate how and at what RPM you generate your torque but the equation states the complete and total relationship between horsepower and torque. You're not really an engineer, are you?

No observations about the flat track comment I made

Harleys may dominate some of the smaller classes on the track but I've yet to see one out there winning any of the unlimited road events. You know, where the fast machines go to compete. 50 hp is 50 hp dude. You just aren't riding a fast bike and you ought to just admit it. And your comment about half the "experts" (your quotes) on this thread not being able to handle your under powered ride was seriously funny.

The article as I pointed out blows your argument and credibility out the window.

You didn't link the article and you haven't pointed out a single error I've made in my description of how horsepower and torque are related to each other and how design constraints determine the shape of the torque curve and where the maximum torque is generated and why that makes the gearing so important. Tell me again how many gears that Harley has. Four, was it? That kind of limits your use of the power band by about 20% compared to a 5 gear machine, doesn't it? These factors along with the HP/Torque equation I gave you determine how fast your machine will go. I've yet to hear a detailed explanation from you of how your 50 hp dog is a speed demon because it's got "torque."

We don't even need to go into your bikes antiquated suspension that was out-of-date at the time it was made back in '86, do we? And you want to talk about the posters on this thread not even knowing what counter steering in a curve is? Have you ever ridden a crouch rocket with a modern suspension? And you do know that it's horsepower that allows you to power through a turn by generating a force in opposition the the centripetal force caused by the turning motion, don't you? 50 hp kind of limits that opposing force, doesn't it. When you come sling shotting out of the turn with that under powered machine it must be like being on the end of rubber band. LOL

I’ve ridden some 15 different bikes over the years.

So if you know a bit about motorcycles, why did you end up riding an under powered 50 hp turkey?

I’m not easily impressed with BS.

Yeah, I can see how the refutation of your my bike will "jerk a knot in your *ss" comment would bother you. That was one of the biggest loads of crap I've seen posted in quite awhile. Care to post the quarter mile standing start times for that "jerk a knot in your ass" machine you ride? That would be a little embarrassing, wouldn't it?

"Jerk a knot in your ass" Jeez, that was a good one. Gonna be telling that one over beers for a long time to come.

You want to know what’s really funny, you couldn’t find the article I referenced in post#36.”Torque engines make lots of torque low in the rpm band while horsepower engines make gobs of torque on the top-end.” The diifference is night and day in what we’re talking here. Street machines or racing machines. The example I gave of the HD that did the Drag launch (no wheelie bar) at the stoplight is a far cry different machine than the road racer you are talking about. I guess you missed the part too where I said “best” handling bike I’ve ever ridden. Reminds me of the early SL350 Honda bike that I owned, one that was used often in the circuses during it’s era because of it’s perfect rake and trail. It was positively scary to ride certain street ricers of that day, purely straight line machines for the most part. As far as the rest of your screed here, it’s just more BS and misdirection and no longer worth my time. Your quote “And you want to talk about the posters on this thread not even knowing what counter steering in a curve is?” My exact quote “More than half of the clueless young riders I’ve come across don’t know squat about counter-steering.” Detail has always defined a good engineer. Good night.