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Beyond Cannibalism: The True Story of the Donner Party
National Geographic ^ | JULY 2, 2017

Posted on 07/01/2017 10:32:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 07/01/2017 10:32:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Liberals are always reaching to rewrite the past and come up with some way of making it a crime to be Caucasian. Aside from coming up with yet another condemnation of Manifest Destiny, there's really very little in this publication which wasn't already really well covered in the histories published in the 1890’s, including the Lincoln connections.

I am rather surprised that the aftermath histories were given such short shrift in this latest tome; especially in context of the mega flood of 1861-62 in the California central valley. But I guess when you're writing an agenda piece, actual interesting history is secondary to pushing the agenda.

2 posted on 07/01/2017 10:47:47 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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The “true story” After 150 years? How about “the true story” on carbon dioxide, “global warming,” and your leftist agenda. Does that qualify as a “true story?”
3 posted on 07/01/2017 10:48:31 PM PDT by Fungi (Mucor roxii is not a rock band.)
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Liberals believe in natural selection. I like to tweak them and say nature selected whites to be on top. It’s not privilege, it’s nature.


4 posted on 07/01/2017 10:50:01 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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Not an easy read at all. Gratuitously morbid , all the moreso with the author’s tendency to crack puns and ghoulish little jokes throughout his article. I can see Vincent Price smiling
creepily. I can hear his manic, cackling laugh as it echoes in the dark.

This is like something Steven King would have written early in his career, minus the trademark excesses of Steven King violence.
If I had been holding this book in a bookstore flipping pages, I would have the urge to wash my hands with bleach and pumice soap afterward.


5 posted on 07/01/2017 10:50:34 PM PDT by lee martell
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Typical of what was formerly "National Geographic" had devolved into National Sociographic. Dropped them over a decade ago in disgust.

Focus on nature and the exploration of distant regions has given way to social engineering and angst...........

6 posted on 07/01/2017 10:56:26 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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No mention that the local Indians tormented them by killing their cattle as they chased them into the mountains? The Indians knew survival would be very difficult that winter without the cattle. And no, I am not blaming the Indians for their demise, the Donnor Party made many mistake on their own.


7 posted on 07/01/2017 11:02:06 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Women who are 25 pounds overweight tend to live longer than the men who mention it.)
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Donner Party revisionism is passé. Historians know very well that the group was offered a series of sumptuous meals by Morgan Freeman but their backward, racist thinking led them to forsake him - and to eventual ruin. Poor Morgan: so just, so righteous. Food for the soul.
8 posted on 07/01/2017 11:37:12 PM PDT by golux
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Why do libs hate Manifest Destiny so? According to this article, it figuratively went up a frozen mountain pass to die.

Why hate something so grand a failure? Manifest Destiny didn’t work, right? The massive number of American liberals living on the west coast is just a delusion. The U.S. is still a cluster of states east of the Mississippi.

Or are liberals waiting for their fever dreams of Reconquista to balance the books, and label MD a failure future tense?


9 posted on 07/01/2017 11:48:23 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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"...so much to grok, so little to grok from."
10 posted on 07/02/2017 12:19:42 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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Was the Donner Party the first American “frozen dinner”? Historians really don’t want to know.


11 posted on 07/02/2017 12:59:05 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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"...so much to grok, so little to grok from."

Subtle. I still remember laughing, the first time I read where Jubal Harshaw asked, standing at the stove, "Michael?"

12 posted on 07/02/2017 3:21:06 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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At least they didn’t have to deal with some stupid highway patrol guy making them put tire chains on (or wagon chains, or whatever they called them in those days).


13 posted on 07/02/2017 3:35:57 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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I am sitting about 35 miles from where the Donner Party wintered. Yes the results of their ordeal is the “big” story. However, if one looks back to the origins of how they wound up in that situation there was a series of poor decisions that almost guaranteed that they were headed for disaster. Modern day preppers should study what lead to them being stranded. Even down to the people chosen to be part of the group.


14 posted on 07/02/2017 3:38:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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Ok read until the last paragraph - “The story of the Donner Party, which looms so large in America’s folklore, is not only a metaphor for Manifest Destiny, but also a microcosm of the U.S. Recently, that deadly combination from the past has reared its head again. The two words that come to mind to describe the present are ignorance and arrogance. So my hope is that this story has relevancy for today”.

Yeah, we’re ignorant and arrogant with Trump as president. F@ck you leftist historian. Why do you have to let your leftism and bias creep into everything.? It’s like the main stream news!


15 posted on 07/02/2017 3:45:51 AM PDT by Nicojones
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bit of unrelated sentences got posted


16 posted on 07/02/2017 3:48:55 AM PDT by SMGFan (Sarah Michelle Gellar is on twitter @SarahMGellar)
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It seems there is no segment of mainstream media communication outlets today that aren’t polluted through and through with “cultural Marxism”. I’ve developed my own methods of filtering out all of the dreck to try and get at any fact that may be revealed amidst the crap, but it’s getting harder to do. I have no idea how young people can be expected to do the same, since they have no reference point that predates the liberal leftist s**tstorm that has plagued this country for so many years.


17 posted on 07/02/2017 3:50:21 AM PDT by DrPretorius
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"We had a bellicose, expansionist president, James Polk, who schemed up a convenient war with Mexico, which owned much of the land we were to take in the West. The story line was, 'There are no people out there, anyway, so let’s take this land!' Of course, there were a lot of people out there, like the Mexicans, and tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of Indians. What we did was gobble up nations."

I grow weary of uneducated tripe such as this. The author has obviously never worked the land. Property rights and land ownership is premised upon the idea of man's labor being expended on the land for a prevailing property right.

The settlers were not "gobbling up nations".

18 posted on 07/02/2017 3:53:37 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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"to describe the present are ignorance and arrogance. So my hope is that this story has relevancy for today."

So Trump and his ilk are the cause of misery.

Fairly interesting article until it ended w/that.

Even if I had been interested in reading that book, knowing that it's just another communist cause in disguise eliminates all interest.

Incidentally, a lot of younger folks don't know about Donner. If you make a reservation at a restaurant for Donner, when they call out your table, the laughs are fewer and fewer.

19 posted on 07/02/2017 3:54:34 AM PDT by fruser1
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“’What are you working on now?’ ... The long answer was, ‘A book about the folly and arrogance of Manifest Destiny, as told through the eyes of its foot soldiers.’”

The self hatred of America is strong in this one. How was Manifest Destiny “folly” or “arrogant”? It was bold, successful and created the most powerful, free and prosperous nation in history (until liberals got hold of it). Was it folly because some pioneers didn’t successfully make the trip? The left HATES AMERICA and everything that happened here starting from the voyage of Columbus to the present.


20 posted on 07/02/2017 3:58:22 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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