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Incentive Trap 2: Minimizing the Wait Time (to reach interstellar targets)
Centauri Dreams ^ | 5/9/17 | Paul Gilster

Posted on 05/10/2017 1:33:26 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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1 posted on 05/10/2017 1:33:26 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Great article. Thanks.

Speed shmeed. Space is malleable. Eventually we’ll figure out a way to bend it or fold it.


2 posted on 05/10/2017 1:41:02 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: LibWhacker

Also going to read that story.


3 posted on 05/10/2017 1:42:22 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: mindburglar; LibWhacker
I had mentioned A. E. van Vogt’s story “Far Centaurus,” originally published in 1944, in which a crew arrives at Alpha Centauri only to find its system inhabited by humans who launched from Earth centuries later. I alluded to this story yesterday.

This story seems to me to have a moral failing of the later society.

Would it not be a true moral failure of the later society knowing the history of the earlier launch not to have sent a rescue mission to the earlier mission.

The later society must assume that the earlier mission would be in danger of death on such a long journey. It would be a moral imperative to attempt a rescue of those on the earlier mission especially if it was a Generation Ship.

4 posted on 05/10/2017 2:41:38 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: LibWhacker

How do you plot a course for something that isn’t there? Plotting a course to a star that we’re seeing a thousand years after it’s moved would be pretty chancey.


5 posted on 05/10/2017 2:47:11 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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You would need radar to avoid collisions with space objects and that would require inventing something tbat travels faster than you.

Not gonna happen...


6 posted on 05/10/2017 2:48:26 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Pontiac

The later society may not know about the accomplishments of the earlier society.


7 posted on 05/10/2017 3:04:25 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: mindburglar

found it, read it

http://lulz.xerq.net/TXT/far-centaurus.txt


8 posted on 05/10/2017 3:12:06 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: raybbr

In the case of Alpha Centauri, it is “only” four light years away. So we’re seeing it not as it was thousands of years ago, but as it was four years ago. There is no problem figuring out where it will be 20 years from now when our (robotic) spacecraft get there and charting our course accordingly.


9 posted on 05/10/2017 3:13:15 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: mindburglar

Was reading about that the other day. Takes a TREMENDOUS amount of energy to warp space.

Anti Matter holds the strongest potential for power but it would take longer than the universe’s existence to get enough for one trip.


10 posted on 05/10/2017 3:16:10 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Pontiac

Very good point. Future mankind were jerks in that story.


11 posted on 05/10/2017 3:17:55 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: dp0622

It takes infinite energy to travel at light speed.


12 posted on 05/10/2017 3:18:39 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: LibWhacker

Interstellar travel = fantasy.


13 posted on 05/10/2017 3:18:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mindburglar

We have to conquer our own solar system first. Not war type conquer but technology type conquer.

I figure (imho) Earth doesn’t have sufficient material to produce viable interstellar travel.

We need viable mining operations on moons, asteroids and planets.

Viable Industry complexes in very high orbit or even mid-space between here and the moon will the start of it all. Alls that’s needed for unmanned transport (or manned for you classic types) from earth to complex to moon.


14 posted on 05/10/2017 3:22:34 AM PDT by Fhios
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require inventing something tbat travels faster than you

Like radar radiation itself? Avoiding space obstacles is definitely a problem, but radar will spot a lot of stuff that can then be avoided. A strong artificial magnetic field around the ship will deflect charged particles, just as Earth's magnetic field deflects the solar wind and cosmic rays.

15 posted on 05/10/2017 3:24:53 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: central_va

No. For humans right now, yes. For small robotic craft, no.


16 posted on 05/10/2017 3:26:41 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Fhios

Conquering some aliens along the way would be good too.


17 posted on 05/10/2017 3:31:38 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: Fhios

Start with those runts on the dark side of the moon.


18 posted on 05/10/2017 3:33:22 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: mindburglar

The lunatics?


19 posted on 05/10/2017 3:41:36 AM PDT by Fhios
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To: central_va
Read about Starshot here.

I like the partial list of "challenges" they are going to have to overcome:

All will take considerable effort but aren't in principle things that can't be done. Personally, I think they may be able to launch these little "starchips" in 20 years or so.

20 posted on 05/10/2017 3:41:48 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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