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To: MtnClimber; Squantos

WTH

Creedmore is 10 percent better BCE than the NATO 7.62 with similar grain

Ok

Remington 6mm flatter trajectory but one third less bulletin weight and ten percent less muzzle velocity

Remington 7mm and winchester .300 mag

Great kill and long range but heavy heavy

My favorite .300 weatherby mag even better....the best all around North American gun arguably but heavy ammo at .510 bce 200 grains

.270 130 grain...a contender at .487 bce

.25-06 can reach .460 bce in 115 grain

.280 Remington at 140 grain .490 bce

.30-06 has some 180-190 grain bullets kat over .500 bce....he’ll yes

Remington 30ll0 ultra short actionmag 190 grain .540 bce....I mean why stop now for flat mankillers

Remington 300 ultra mag 200 grain .550 bce

Winchester .300 mag 200 grains 500 plus bce

Lapua 338 mag 300 grains .768 bce....dayum

Win 338 mag 225 grain .648 bce.....lighter

Weight versus ballistics

Why not just load hot .308 hunting loads and change nothing


55 posted on 04/20/2017 12:14:09 AM PDT by wardaddy (Multiculturalism: Everyone wants to inhabit the world of white men with no white men in it)
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To: wardaddy

After I got out of the Army in 72 I got interested in benchrest competition and my first rifle was a SAKO action, Shilen barreled 6.5x284. Used it for competition and had another stock Rem 700 re-chambered for the same round for hunting. Few years later I jumped on the Weatherby band wagon and never got off. Pretty much stayed with the 257 and the 300 until just recently when the 6.5x300 came out. This one will be strictly a hunting rifle. I went a head and got the die’s and some re-sizing die’s since I already have so much 300 brass. Haven’t decided which scope to put on it yet but I’m already looking at load data and have a hunch that can be improved on. I’m looking at two bullets both being Nosler Partitions in 125 and 140 grain. The rifle is a Rem 700 with a 26 inch Krieger contour in a 1-10 twist. Factory loads seem a little slow for this round and I’m hoping for something in the range of 150 fps improvement, reason I went to a little slower twist.


60 posted on 04/20/2017 4:59:11 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: wardaddy; archy

SOCOM is the simple answer to your question WD.... they want the gold standard firearm and caliber that fits the “ounces is pounds” concept, “NATO” compliant, “One Shot Kill” and “Terminal” at 1579 yards.

We had the saving grace to have multiple calibers and weapons in our Armory when we deployed. For example to Desert Shield / Storm. M82A1 Barrett , a Accurized M1A with a 10X Unertl USMC scope and a 1911A1. My choice for Desert .

In the Central / South American JTF-6 environment I selected a MP5SDA3 and a Sig P226, spray and prey mode in either dense undergrowth or urban casual to and from with some alphabet agency handlers.

Were I given the authority to consider logistics, lethality at multiple ranges, and load bearing weight for the average Mk 1 Mod 0 GI rifle it would be a .260 Rem 140gr . Yeah it’s a brethren of the 6.5 Creedmoor but .260 Rem is original, old school as a do it all caliber for rifle.

The part of this argument “we all love” is there is a real need for SOCOM to have a boutique menu of sorts for specific tools for the task at hand. They have that luxury due to clear and specific intelligence on the target, the location etcetera .

Each need is always going to be different, arm chair QB’s gonna bitch, but no explanation is possible for those that have not been there ....and no explanation is needed for those that have.

Short answer if we’re gonna change NATO Caliber.... .260 Rem. SOCOM answer .... any thing they want or need specific to they’re task at hand.

Stay Safe !


62 posted on 04/20/2017 8:36:05 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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