No it didn’t. She went through a lot more trials and tribulations than Luke did before he blew up the Death Star. She was homeless, abandoned and starving. Luke had a home, parental figures and grub. Rey didn’t go to Jedi anything, that’s just a stupid complaint the whiners made up. She’s shown no more Force ability than Luke did in the first movie.
The Marty Ste/ Mary Sue wish fulfillment in the first movie is obvious for anybody that bothers to pay attention to George’s life up to making that movie. Inconsistency in the next movie doesn’t change the simple fact that all the main hero characters were wish fulfillment for George starting with his stand-in character that shares his name.
ALL movies are money grabs. You don’t think Disney paid 4 billion dollars for the franchise just for fun do you.
It is actually a triumph to be able to get decent female characters on the screen again. A weird cycle happened with SF in the 2000s, we went from getting solid female characters all over the genre (Ripley, Sarah Connor, Buffy) to basically none. Time to get them back. And Rey’s no worse written than any other SW character.
And now we see indeed you are just the Comicbook Guy. Worst whiner ever. If you don’t like SW stop watching the movies, save yourself and the people around you from your BS.
“No it didn’t. She went through a lot more trials and tribulations than Luke did before he blew up the Death Star. She was homeless, abandoned and starving. Luke had a home, parental figures and grub. Rey didn’t go to Jedi anything, that’s just a stupid complaint the whiners made up. She’s shown no more Force ability than Luke did in the first movie.”
Yeah, correct me if I’m mistaken, but I don’t recall Luke dueling and effortlessly handing Vader his butt in their first encounter, or him managing to use a Jedi Mind Trick on a Stormtrooper despite not even knowing about the ability in A New Hope, both of which are what REY demonstrated in The Force Awakens.
Also, Luke at least had been shown training with the Force beforehand under Obi-Wan’s guidance (remember the time he got shot by that remote on the way to Alderaan?), and even his skills with flying an X-Wing was at least justified fairly early on by his being able to fly a Skyhopper in incidental dialogue, while with Rey, other than flying that cart, she demonstrated absolutely NO prior knowledge of flying craft at all (and certainly not flying something like The Millennium Falcon), and made clear that she never even HEARD of the Force yet STILL managed to pull off those stunts.
I will give you one thing, though: She most certainly had a lot more tribulations than even Anakin Skywalker, let alone Luke. And if I must be honest, I personally found her plight in the beginning of the film to be a LOT more sympathetic than Belle from Disney’s Beauty and the Beast. I won’t say she had more trials, though. Trials would imply actual training, which Luke clearly had her beat in.
“The Marty Ste/ Mary Sue wish fulfillment in the first movie is obvious for anybody that bothers to pay attention to George’s life up to making that movie. Inconsistency in the next movie doesn’t change the simple fact that all the main hero characters were wish fulfillment for George starting with his stand-in character that shares his name.”
I’ll give you the bit about Luke sharing Lucas’s name. However, he still wasn’t a marty stu (an actual marty stu in his position would have OHKOed the Sand People or actually passed on the first try that whole remote thing rather than being shot in the leg or outright cream Vader in a fight. Even in the original film, he definitely struggled. Heck, Luke wasn’t even the one to beat Vader, Han did if anyone, and even there, Vader only lost because his surviving wingman panicked and accidentally knocked him out of the trench).
“ALL movies are money grabs. You don’t think Disney paid 4 billion dollars for the franchise just for fun do you.”
Technically, ANYTHING ever made is a cash grab under the definition that money is a factor into things being made. But I’m pretty sure that wasn’t what the posters meant by a “cash grab” (and Lucas made the films specifically to push Vietcong and left-wing propaganda, which if you ask me is FAR worse than just making it for money’s sake).
“It is actually a triumph to be able to get decent female characters on the screen again. A weird cycle happened with SF in the 2000s, we went from getting solid female characters all over the genre (Ripley, Sarah Connor, Buffy) to basically none. Time to get them back. And Rey’s no worse written than any other SW character.”
Ah, actually, she was, largely because unlike Luke in even the first Star Wars movie, she literally had NOTHING shown or even mentioned about her superb feats at all. Maybe if they had incidental dialogue mentioning she had flown the Millennium Falcon a few times before to justify her flying abilities, or mentioned she had some sense of her having powers due to some incidents but couldn’t explain them, I could buy her going all superpowered.
And this is speaking as someone who agrees that the way women are depicted as supermen in an obvious attempt at pandering to feminists was just stupid (like Alice from Resident Evil, for example). I do have little problem with Honoka from Dead or Alive 5 Last Round, though (and the problems I do have with the character don’t even have anything to do with her skills so much as her loving onsens), and in fact, I actually could make sense of her being as good as she is (since it’s heavily implied that she often trained in secret so she could satisfy her desire to fight and also test out her powers, and that she also trained via watching and matching various martial arts actions to form her admittedly self-taught Honoka Fu moves).
“And now we see indeed you are just the Comicbook Guy. Worst whiner ever. If you don’t like SW stop watching the movies, save yourself and the people around you from your BS.”
I know you’re talking to that other person, but I felt I must mention this: just because I have some pretty justified criticisms of the films right now doesn’t mean I dislike Star Wars. Ultimately, I grew up on Star Wars, so I don’t have the heart to get away from it, and I do retain some fondness for the franchise. Even when I learned that it was meant to push Vietcong propaganda, I didn’t leave the franchise, instead I ended up rooting for the Empire who was supposed to be America if Lucas is to be believed (and bear in mind, I don’t root for villains as a rule, THAT’S how bad Lucas’s revelation shook me). May not like it that I have to root for villains in that case, but it’s either that or continuing to root for Rebels after learning they were in fact a bunch of communist insurgents.