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Sanford and Son VS the HOA
My mind | 04/13/2017 | Myself

Posted on 04/13/2017 7:07:12 PM PDT by TermLimitsforAll

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To: TermLimitsforAll

All I can say is that anyone whom is willing to enforce his will on other people’s property should expect to have other people’s will enforced upon his without complaint.


21 posted on 04/13/2017 7:33:31 PM PDT by Deek
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To: TermLimitsforAll

Be a good neighbor and not a dick and maybe he’ll ask you to help him clean up a few things


22 posted on 04/13/2017 7:35:20 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: TermLimitsforAll
Read your bylaws and municipal codes. Most HOAs require a trial after
fine violations if not spelled out in the bylaws. Local codes are normally on the Internet. Also landscaping is not permitted as a fence. Could you install trees on your side of the fence to block the trees?

Devils Advocate: they might be reaction to have all these white peoples tells my my property - rights. I've heard d it based on race, origin, gender, age, disability and veterans.

Or you can try to diffuse the situation by asking with help and offering with landscaping, Sometimes they don't have the money or it's your option to take your path.

Has the Board Directors reached out to this matter?

23 posted on 04/13/2017 7:38:29 PM PDT by keving (We are the Government)
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To: TermLimitsforAll

Many HOA contract with one of a few big management companies to actually run things. Find out who the management company is, and start in on them.

Or run for a spot on the HOA board, and become the petty tyrant in charge.

Do the ladies and gentlemen of color own or rent?


24 posted on 04/13/2017 7:39:34 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: TermLimitsforAll

First, have a lawyer confirm the other homeowners are in violation of the bi-laws of the HOA, legally adopted, etc.

If so, you have two avenues

1, against the other homeowner for reducing your “quiet enjoyment” of your home, reduced RE value at sale, mental anguish, social loss at not being to invite friends and/or business contacts to your home, etc, all sorts of other damages and potential damages a good lawyer can develop.

This would initially be a “hard” letter. A Notice to Cure letter

2, against the HOA for their failure to enforce their own rules, resulting in the same damages as shown above. Rules are rules, not suggestions.

This would initially be a much “softer” letter. However, if they do not act, then they get a Notice to Enforse / Notice to Cure letter.

BTW, Often directors of HOAs do not have personal Errors and Omissions (effectively “malpractice”) and can be personally held liable for their failure to pursue action against the violating homeowner.

Also check if such “junk” violates and zoning or health laws.

Yes, you will need a lawyer, but just for a few hours. Not a big deal. Less than $800, and demand other homeowner or HOA pays it. If HOA ends up having to go after other homeowner, HOA may retain/pay for your lawyer to do it, as he is familiar with case, etc. Avoid any lawyer who wants to talk you into “big case” from the outset.


25 posted on 04/13/2017 7:42:39 PM PDT by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: Timpanagos1

There may be a paragraph that addresses taking a question or motion to the membership.<<<

Hell!..or course there are!!!!... a HOA can ban 16 oz. beers at your grilling area as opposed to 12 oz...it’s all about the “vote”.....Once you buy into a “democracy” instead of a “Republic”.....its MAJORITY RULE BABY!


26 posted on 04/13/2017 7:43:58 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Lurker

That’s what I was thinking


27 posted on 04/13/2017 7:44:33 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: entropy12
HOA can levy a fine for violating by-laws. If the owner does not pay, it adds up as lien against the property. There is an empty condo in my building which is several thousand $$$ behind paying HOA dues. The owner (which is now the bank) is trying to sell, but no buyers with that bigly lien.

If I was the banker, I'd ask really nicely if the HOA would work with me so it could be sold. And let them know that in the meantime, to safeguard the property while we work on the problem, I'll be moving in a few house sitters to keep it up, and that the local Hells Angels chapter is being nice enough to provide a full crew of them at no charge to either of us.

28 posted on 04/13/2017 7:44:52 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Deek
willing to enforce his will on other people’s property

I do not see that it is "his will". It is asking that the neighbor live up the agreement he made with the HOA when he moved it.

29 posted on 04/13/2017 7:46:19 PM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: EasySt
I’m not a fan of HOAs.

They need limits, like governments. And for the same reasons.<<<

They are Tin Pot dictators unto themselves .....once u sign on the dotted line.....*S*...You really have to read the fine print....

30 posted on 04/13/2017 7:49:43 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: TermLimitsforAll

I just sued my neighbor in small claims court over the fact that she was running a busy nonprofit organization in her backyard. I won.

You say you have an HOA and bylaws. Do you have protective covenants that are recorded against the deeds to your property? Those are legally binding and enforceable.

My HOA is inactive so was no help despite almost 2 years of trying to get them to do something. But in the end it worked to my favor to sue as an individual, because HOA officials are often on the hook liability-wise should a property owner sue. I think even if they were active they wouldn’t have done anything besides write a strongly worded letter.

The judge in my case ruled the way she did because the amount of people (often 30, 40, 50+) and frequency of their visits to the property (3-4 times per week) were considered a nuisance by any reasonable standard. I think for you that just having a trashed yard next door will be hard to do anything about.

Anyway, feel free to send me a message if you want to know more about my situation. It was an awful two years, and I know my neighbors would knife me in the back if they had the chance, but it was so worth it not to have to worry about how many people I can see out my window ever again!


31 posted on 04/13/2017 7:51:29 PM PDT by LittleSpotBlog
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To: TermLimitsforAll

The HOA.. they are your neighbors, right ?

sharing space with people is one of my favorite lessons from the bible.

There is no winning in a conflict against those who live in your proximity. The only reprive you will achieve without cooperation would be to move.

Seriously. This will never end well.


32 posted on 04/13/2017 7:51:37 PM PDT by Celerity
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I’m forced to look at 7 foot tree stumps that they had a stop order on due to cutting them down illegally, commercial stoves from his food truck, chain link fencing just laying around and even a fence he decided to move in about 7 feet from his property line for some reason.

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At least he didn’t move his fence 7 feet into your yard.

Just to let you know, a lot of people on FR think you are the problem, not the neighbor.

Laws vary from state to state, so you may need to check this on your own. In Florida you have to write a certified letter to the association via the management company advising them of the violation, what you’ve done previously to notify the association of the violation, and demand an answer for why they haven’t enforced the rules. In Florida they have to answer if you’ve followed that procedure. Sometimes that’s all it takes. They know that until you’ve gone through the correct legal procedure they don’t have to do a thing.

You really need to get with your neighbors in force to change the way the community is managed. If not, it will only get worse. If your neighbors are apathetic, put your house up for sale now.


33 posted on 04/13/2017 8:02:41 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: TermLimitsforAll

Pull a LaBeouf.

set up a video camera and stream the yard 24\7 to utube


34 posted on 04/13/2017 8:09:29 PM PDT by stylin19a (Terrorists - "just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there")
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To: TermLimitsforAll
I'm very familiar with HOAs for a number of reasons, and what I'll tell you here is based on my own understanding of HOA laws as they would apply in my own state (not yours).

1. You are on solid legal ground to pursue legal action against both the HOA and the neighbor over this.

2. It will likely cost you a fortune in legal fees, and will only result in both of them doing what they're legally obligated to do.

3. Your best course of action might be to get a group of like-minded neighbors to band together and get yourselves elected to the HOA board at its next election. At this point you'd have all the authority you need to enforce the bylaws of the HOA.

4. Barring that, you might want to do some surreptitious research to see what opportunities might be there to get government officials or law enforcement involved. Environmental hazards, injuries to children or pets, or similar things might get them involved.

5. As a last resort, it would be fantastic if some dangerous condition on their property caused your house to mysteriously burn down ... after you've mysteriously removed all valuables from it, of course.

35 posted on 04/13/2017 8:13:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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Problem is he has a privacy fence that’s below my grade, we are a higher elevation.

I wish I had read this comment before I posted mine. I am a civil engineer by trade, and whenever I read a story about a person who has a jack@ss for a neighbor, I absolutely salivate when I find out that the jack@ss's home is below the elevation of the law-abiding homeowner.

You have many options to address this in ways that will help solve your problem without a lot of expense.

Gravity is your friend.

36 posted on 04/13/2017 8:17:20 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: super7man

The IRS, EPA etc. make similar arguments to yours.


37 posted on 04/13/2017 8:18:06 PM PDT by Deek
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To: TermLimitsforAll

OK, Before you spend any money on lawyers, here’s what you do...

1. Get all the names and contact info of the people on the HOA and as many and as high up in the home builder company.

2. Read up on legalize wording from the web and get as much info as you can on HOA.

3. Document the fire hazards...pics, etc.

4. Email AMD send a certified letter to as many of the contacts as you can.

5. This is the most important...your key word is “LIABILITY”...use it in every letter and email you send out. The idea is to place the burden of a catastrophic event(injury, death) squarely in their laps.

These people hate the “liability”,it scares them to death. Use it liberally!!


38 posted on 04/13/2017 8:20:05 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: TermLimitsforAll

Sorry bud but I don’t think I’d live under a HOA if you gave it to me.


39 posted on 04/13/2017 8:24:04 PM PDT by Hotmetal
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To: MaxistheBest

BTW..those are the exact steps a lawyer would take, so if you still don;t get some relief, pay a lawyer to send the same type of letter to the same people. It will show them 2 things:

1. You are not backing down

2. You are willing to escalate the matter

I have done this before myself and I will dollars to donuts you will get relief!!


40 posted on 04/13/2017 8:25:10 PM PDT by MaxistheBest (...)
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