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Cicero's First Oration Against Cataline
The Latin Library ^ | 63 BC | Unknown

Posted on 04/06/2017 7:09:40 AM PDT by ZULU

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To: ZULU

Some of the best historical novels about ancient Rome I have ever read are from Robert Harris. His trilogy on Cicero is fantastic and often very true to the historical record.

https://www.amazon.com/Imperium-Novel-Ancient-Robert-Harris/dp/0743498666

By the way, the audio CDs for each book are wonderfully done. I listened to the third one this summer and found it absolutely gripping: https://www.amazon.com/Dictator-novel-Robert-Harris/dp/0399567852/ref=tmm_abk_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=


21 posted on 04/06/2017 7:46:38 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: ZULU
"Kirk Douglas in the Odyssey"

I loved that movie:


22 posted on 04/06/2017 7:56:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

This was from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Douglas was great in movies like Ulysses, the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, the Vikings, Spartacus. Like Victor Mature, he had that kind of Ancient Look.


23 posted on 04/06/2017 8:10:38 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: vladimir998

Thanks for those links!

Have to get the audio book. Makes commuting a lot more bearable and that period of history is very interesting. Never read any of these novels. Sound great.

My favorite historical novelists so far are Allen Eckert for his Wilderness Series and Bernard Cornwall for his medieval stuff.


24 posted on 04/06/2017 8:13:13 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: ZULU
According to Virgil, the Romans were descended from Aeneas.

And the enmity between Rome and Carthage was due to Aeneas ditching the Cathagenian queen, Dido, to pursue his destiny -- the founding of Rome.

25 posted on 04/06/2017 8:14:04 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Red Badger

I think there must have been some connection with Asia Minor and Etruria.

They did genetic studies on Tuscan livestock and their genes indicate connections to Asia Minor. I think genetic studies on Tuscan humans are inconclusive.


26 posted on 04/06/2017 8:14:57 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: The Great RJ

It was a great speech. The Latin is better than the English and my translation of the Latin is better than the one I posted. Cicero’s use of the repetitive phrase is very effective and this translation loses it.


27 posted on 04/06/2017 8:16:37 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: nonsporting

I bet she was hot, but not hot enough!

:)


28 posted on 04/06/2017 8:17:26 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: ZULU
I bet she was hot, but not hot enough!

Aeneas may have genuinely loved her, but his sense of duty won out.

Aeneas is a complex character, not a shallow modern.

29 posted on 04/06/2017 8:27:01 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: ZULU

I had a professor once from Denmark who was in the US on a one-year appointment (he could have stayed longer but his wife didn’t like living here). He thought Catalina Island off the California coast was named for Catiline. I explained to him it was named for St. Catherine.


30 posted on 04/06/2017 8:29:24 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ZULU

Livestock tend to stay where you put them.
People do not..................


31 posted on 04/06/2017 8:29:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (Ending a sentence with a preposition is nothing to be afraid of........)
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To: ZULU

Douglas was great in movies like Ulysses, the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, the Vikings, Spartacus. Like Victor Mature, he had that kind of Ancient Look.

He STILL DOES!.....................

32 posted on 04/06/2017 8:31:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Ending a sentence with a preposition is nothing to be afraid of........)
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To: Red Badger

No...Catalina, California...he just hated that....


33 posted on 04/06/2017 9:02:21 AM PDT by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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34 posted on 04/06/2017 9:27:25 AM PDT by upchuck (Be strong, but not rude; be kind, but not weak; be bold, but not bully; be thoughtful, but not lazy.)
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To: ZULU

The really interesting one was Cicero’s secretary/slave. If he hadn’t have written down Cicero’s speeches we would know nothing about him.


35 posted on 04/06/2017 10:08:08 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: vladimir998

The Colleen McCullough 6 book series on Caesar are also excellent.


36 posted on 04/06/2017 10:13:58 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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