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On this date in 1862

Posted on 04/06/2017 4:51:47 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

Confederate General Albert S. Johnson's 40,000 man Army of Mississippi attacked General Ulysses S. Grant's 45,000 man Army of the Tennessee camped at Pittsburg Landing, MS near a small church called Shilo. The attack that morning was successful, Grant's forces were driven back three miles all the way to the Mississippi River.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: butchergrant; civilwar; dixie; shiloh
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To: rlmorel

I’ll say it again. U.S. Grant was the Union’s version of Gen. Hood.


21 posted on 04/06/2017 6:10:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I can see the parallel you make, the major difference being Grant had the resources and manpower to overcome those mistakes inherent with aggressiveness, whereas Gen. Hood didn’t.

I am not enough of a military scholar to project how Grant would have performed had he been poorly supplied, short on men, and on the defensive all the time, but I deem it likely he wouldn’t have lasted the war either.


22 posted on 04/06/2017 6:14:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: Trump20162020

Ulysses S. Grant
Is there a worse person on one of the common denominations of money than this guy? He’s frequently on historians’ top worst Presidents lists.


But he was an outstanding General and leader of men...


23 posted on 04/06/2017 6:17:02 AM PDT by AFret.
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To: rlmorel

IMO The first modern general who, foregoing frontal attack, understood movement, logistics and mechanized infantry(using trains) was General Longstreet.


24 posted on 04/06/2017 6:19:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Bull Snipe
Victor Davis Hanson, a familiar name on FR, has made a case that General Lew Wallace's bestselling novel Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ (New York: Harper, 1880) is actually about the Battle of Shiloh, in which he participated.
25 posted on 04/06/2017 6:22:45 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: central_va
I’ll say it again. U.S. Grant was the Union’s version of Gen. Hood.

How many battles did General Hood win? How many armies did General Hood capture?

26 posted on 04/06/2017 6:24:59 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Tactically speaking they were identical in every way.


27 posted on 04/06/2017 6:25:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

I’m going on 71. My parents started taking me to Shiloh
when I was a young child. My great-great grandfather had
fought for the Confederacy at Shiloh. Back then, “The
Bloody Pond” was still a very dark old blood, dark brown
color from where the wounded and dying from that battle
crawled down to wash their wounds.

My grandmother once asked my great-great grandfather when
she was a small child, “Grandaddy, did you kill anybody
at Shiloh?”

He told her, “Izora, I don’t see any way I could have
kept from killing people even if I’d wanted to. Shiloh
was such a mess!”

The pond has faded over time; but it was once a deep dark
brown bloodstained reminder of that battle.


28 posted on 04/06/2017 6:32:48 AM PDT by Twinkie ( MSM and DEMOCRAT PARTY are DEAD)
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To: central_va
Tactically speaking they were identical in every way.

Tactically speaking, one man kept winning and the other kept losing.

29 posted on 04/06/2017 6:33:07 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Trump20162020

But a successful General. Before the Civil War was over, three Confederate Generals surrendered their armies to him personally.


30 posted on 04/06/2017 6:37:36 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (ueewl ocwe)
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To: central_va

How many Yankee Generals surrendered their armies to General Hood?


31 posted on 04/06/2017 6:40:47 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (ueewl ocwe)
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To: DoodleDawg

General Grant would have no problem with Gen. Hood leading one of his corps had Hood been a union officer. They were simpatico.


32 posted on 04/06/2017 6:41:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Bull Snipe

It is just like Irwin Rommel and George Patton. Cut from the same cloth they just were on different sides.


33 posted on 04/06/2017 6:43:25 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

and a successful General.


34 posted on 04/06/2017 6:43:31 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (ueewl ocwe)
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To: central_va

Nor did Lee. He was a brigade then division commander in the ANV.


35 posted on 04/06/2017 6:46:48 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (ueewl ocwe)
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To: Bull Snipe

If you call filing up grave yards needlessly as being successful then yes he was wildly so.


36 posted on 04/06/2017 6:50:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

You mean sort like Lee did at Malvern Hill and Cemetery Ridge. That seems to be the meaning of success for Southern Generals.


37 posted on 04/06/2017 6:52:22 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (ueewl ocwe)
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To: Bull Snipe
General Lee made a lot of mistakes and he'd be the first to admit it. He tendered his resignation after Gettysburg which was denied.

In the aftermath of his defeat at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, Confederate General Robert E. Lee sends a letter of resignation as commander of the Army of Northern Virginia to Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

The letter came more than a month after Lee’s retreat from Pennsylvania. At first, many people in the South wondered if in fact Lee had lost the battle. Lee’s intent had been to drive the Union army from Virginia, which he did. The Army of the Potomac suffered over 28,000 casualties, and the Union army’s offensive capabilities were temporarily disabled. But the Army of Northern Virginia absorbed 23,000 casualties, nearly one-third of its total. As the weeks rolled by and the Union army reentered Virginia, it became clear that the Confederacy had suffered a serious defeat at Gettysburg. As the press began to openly speculate about Lee’s leadership, the great general reflected on the campaign at his headquarters in Orange Courthouse, Virginia.

The modest Lee took the failure at Gettysburg very personally. In his letter to Davis, he wrote, “I have been prompted by these reflections more than once since my return from Pennsylvania to propose to Your Excellency the propriety of selecting another commander for this army… No one is more aware than myself of my inability for the duties of my position. I cannot even accomplish what I myself desire… I, therefore, in all sincerity, request your Excellency to take measure to supply my place.”

Lee not only seriously questioned his ability to lead his army, he was also experiencing significant physical fatigue. He might also have sensed that Gettysburg was his last chance to win the war. Regardless, President Davis refused the request. He wrote, “To ask me to substitute you by someone… more fit to command, or who would possess more of the confidence of the army… is to demand an impossibility.”

38 posted on 04/06/2017 6:59:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
General Grant would have no problem with Gen. Hood leading one of his corps had Hood been a union officer. They were simpatico.

Possibly. Hood as a brigade commander led the Texas Brigade when it broke the Union line at Gaines Mill. As a division commander he almost shattered the Union left at Second Bull Run and turned back the Union attack on the Confederate left flank at Antietam. While not agreeing with the attack on the second day at Gettysburg - Longstreet wasn't thrilled with it either - he led his men and almost broke the Union line once again. His corps almost won the day at Chickamauga. So yeah, I think Grant would have been thrilled to have Hood as a division or corps commander. Yes, both were simpatico in that both wanted to win. But as an Army commander Grant was heads and shoulders above Hood, as well as his peers.

39 posted on 04/06/2017 7:05:48 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

I think Hood had a mental lapse late in the war. To much morphine? His unbridled butchery really got going when he took over the Army of Tennessee.


40 posted on 04/06/2017 7:11:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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