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To: Texas Eagle
You find me a traffic camera who can appear in court in the middle of a work day and maybe we can talk.

The camera doesn't write the ticket. A police officer reviews footage that the camera company refers to him and he writes the ticket. He will also be the one testifying against you in court. And yes, they can make it stick.

The flaw is not in how the ticket is written but in who they send the ticket to. They are essentially ticketing the owner of a vehicle with out any proof he was driving it. Where they get you is when you show up in court and they can look at you and look at who is in the video.

4 posted on 03/26/2017 12:54:24 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

I’ve heard of studies, in which intersections with red light cameras generate an increase in the number of rear end crashes. Reason being, people are afraid to drive normally through the yellow light for fear of getting a ticket. So, they slam on the brakes to avoid going through, because of fear of the camera, and get hit from behind.


8 posted on 03/26/2017 12:59:14 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeeSharp

The lawmaker might want to watch how Sheldon fought his traffic ticket....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOfxGR0K9jA


10 posted on 03/26/2017 12:59:27 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: SeeSharp

It is against the law in the state of Tennessee for an out of state company to issue a traffic ticket. And try the collect money in the firm of a fine.


15 posted on 03/26/2017 1:04:37 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: SeeSharp

Baltimore county MD had to pay back several hundred thousand dollars because the sworn officer who attested to the tickets personally had been dead for 6 months.


17 posted on 03/26/2017 1:09:32 PM PDT by cyclotic
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To: SeeSharp

Nope. The ticket comes from some company in Arizona.


20 posted on 03/26/2017 1:13:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: SeeSharp

” And yes, they can make it stick.”

Not sure about other states, but the rep is correct. They can’t do anything in Tennessee if you ignore it


25 posted on 03/26/2017 1:21:00 PM PDT by Figment
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To: SeeSharp

I got a parking ticket on my Jeep several years ago. It was for parking in a restricted area on a Saturday night in Raleigh, NC. My Jeep was parked 2 hours away in my driveway. Somebody apparently fat-fingered the license plate number when issuing the ticket. There was no recourse, other than the fact that the plate that they issued the ticket on, had not been delivered to me yet. The state of NC sent me a new tag in the mail (I guess my old one was up for replacement)..... so I contacted the state, and they wrote a letter that said, there is NO WAY this plate was in the possession of Mr. Klemper at the time that this parking ticket was issued. The city of Raleigh had to eat that ticket.


28 posted on 03/26/2017 1:22:28 PM PDT by Klemper
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To: SeeSharp

That’s why i always send my attorney to court for $150. The camera ticket here in L.A. is $250. My attorney ALWAYS wins and i save money and time for these DOT assholes wasting my time with this nonsense.


35 posted on 03/26/2017 1:37:19 PM PDT by max americana (For the 9th time FIRED LIBERALS from our company at this election, and every election since 2008)
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To: SeeSharp

The article says that the companies running the cameras are assessing the fees after review; law enforcement is not previewing the pictures prior to issuing fines!


39 posted on 03/26/2017 2:11:15 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: SeeSharp

In most jurisdictions, the officer is not required to appear.


51 posted on 03/26/2017 4:29:55 PM PDT by gunnut
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To: SeeSharp
A police officer reviews footage that the camera company refers to him and he writes the ticket. He will also be the one testifying against you in court. And yes, they can make it stick.

You need to back up on that .it's been provided in court that the cameras will not hold up .

54 posted on 03/26/2017 5:20:55 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: SeeSharp; TexasGator; Trump20162020
The person viewing the red light camera footage is not an eye-witness, and therefore cannot judge the mitigating circumstances affecting the issuance of the citation. Right now, the City of Wilmington, Delaware is having to pay back the fine monies wrested from vehicle owners, 6,700 instances of $110 each, which amounts to about $800,000 when the intimidating superfee for court costs has been also taken from those who choose to contest the citatyion should they lose when the case is heard. Here is the link from the News Journal front page headline:

Wilmington ignored red-light camera law under Williams (click here).

(Appeared in Thursday March 23, 2017 issue.)

Even at this moment, I am contesting an illegitimate citation based on my turning left from a one-way sreet to another crossing it, where the citation shows that my vehicle was photographed while stopped before lawfully entering the intersection, the speed entered as a double hyphen (no speed recorded). Remember now, some $400,00 of the fine money has already been given tyo the private corporation owning the camera apparatus, and who send their technicians to the court to testify against the cited vehicle owner.

The citation intimidates the owner by charging an additional $35, doubtlessly to affray the cost of having the technicians present to rebut the owner's attempt to contest the citation. When you read this article, you will see that the city has already been ordered to cease citing such right hand turns (or left hand when a one-way into another one-way street crossing it) as being classed as a "rolling stop" if it is claimed that the vehicle has not been brought to a fully complete stop before resuming motion.

So, how does the camera "know" that a safe maneuver has or has not been executed? In my case, the bumper had not crossed the stop line, the tail lights were extra bright showing that the brakes were applied, and in the succeeding image of two secondas later, there was no visible traffic shown on the crossing stree as my vehicle was turning into the roadway and proceeding.

To me, this really defines what "egregious" really means in using these entrapment devices to improve the (failing) city government's economics. They lose: $800,000 back to the owners, plus I suppose an additional $400,000 already forked over to the recording company for the images ans the billing. I doubt if that would be recoverable. The private company only does what the city pays them to do. Right or wrong is outside the contractor's purview, eh?

55 posted on 03/26/2017 6:25:58 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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