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To: discostu

As Borges said, most of the fairy tales were NOT for children, that came later (and besides, Brothers Grimm never actually wrote anything, they merely collected). And besides, are you seriously going to tell me that rape is kid-friendly material at ALL? Because the Brothers Grimm stories had plenty of that (like Princess Aurora being raped by that ogre prince, or how about Snow White being woken up because the prince in his haste to have a literal trophy wife dropped the coffin which gave her just enough force to spit out the poisoned apple jammed into her throat). And for the record, most Disney stuff AREN’T saccharine crap. Do I really have to point out that the very first full-length animated movie by Disney involved a Stepmother trying to commit infanticide against her own stepdaughter just because she was more beautiful than her (And Disney even opted to make the woman as evil and serious as possible, and not a comical bumbler which was what was originally planned)? Or how about the story of Cinderella [which was based on the Perrault Version, NOT the Grimm version] where Cinderella was the victim of parental and sibling abuse for most of her life. Even Sleeping Beauty had Maleficent actually attempt to KILL Aurora with zero remorse simply for not being invited (in fact, the ONLY reason it was merely a coma instead of death was because the three fairies softened the curse, and based on the fact that Maleficent had left, we could easily assume that she still thought Aurora was DEAD by the time the curse set in) and was practically Satan incarnate, which was significantly different from the original fairy tale where she actually DID intend to just put her in a coma. And The Little Mermaid? Aside from including an element of racism that wasn’t in the original tale via King Triton, a large part of the story involved a faustian deal between Ariel and Ursula, and Ariel actually trying to clean up her mess. And The Lion King actually had a very dark villain in the form of Scar who was perfectly willing to off his own brother and nephew just to become king, and then turned the Pride Lands into a wasteland of near extinction once he got it. That doesn’t even match up with saccharine crap. You want “saccharine crap?” Try Barney & Friends or Teletubbies. THAT’S “saccharine crap.”

And no, they WEREN’T significantly different, and I even explained how similar overall they were to the fairy tales. The only ones that actually WERE significantly different were the Jungle Book and maybe Beauty and the Beast, oh, and Aladdin as well.


75 posted on 03/19/2017 9:10:44 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

They WERE for kids. They were how kids were taught that world was a scary place that played for keeps. Don’t go into the forest alone, don’t talk to random traveling, stop sucking your thumbs. Those were, and in ways still are, lessons for kids.

For the record, they ARE saccharine crap. There’s hints at bad stuff, but they never dwell on it, and pretty soon there will be singing rats to make it all better. Not only are they saccharine crap, they’re the template for saccharine crap, if somebody wants to take a “scary” story and make it “safe” they Disney it.

They ARE significantly different. I’ve seen the saccharine crap movies and I’ve read the stories. The movies are vastly different, vastly inferior, and frankly suck.


78 posted on 03/19/2017 9:31:26 AM PDT by discostu (There are times when all the world's asleep, the questions run too deep, for such a simple man.)
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