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Classical (Music) so white and male: Time is overdue for diversity
SF Chronicle ^ | 3-7-2017 | Joshua Kosman

Posted on 03/08/2017 7:45:45 PM PST by brucedickinson

While organizations in other artistic fields — theater, literature, the visual arts — attempt, however haltingly and imperfectly, to broaden the scope of their activities to include a range of creative voices and life experiences, the leadership in classical music keeps on ignoring the whole subject. The field is just as committed now to the work of white men as it was 100 years ago or more. That’s a very bad look for any cultural organization in 2017. And it’s a particularly bad look for a field that needs to be thinking seriously about how far the traditional models can be relied on in a rapidly changing artistic landscape.

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To: brucedickinson

These great eras of musical creation happen in clusters of same kinds of people. I don’t remember Americans inviting the Brits to play our Rock and Roll but they just decided to make a bunch of bands between 1963 and for 8 or so years afterwards who are better than any American band and who have created the best music since Brahms.

You have the first two musical geniuses who ever lived being born within a few miles of each other and within a month of each other, and their paths never crossed. Bach and Handel.


41 posted on 03/08/2017 8:48:14 PM PST by Perchant
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To: wideminded

Barnum and Bailey Circus made a latina lady the ringmaster and then i a few months they took bancruptcy and then ceased to be


42 posted on 03/08/2017 8:54:24 PM PST by brucedickinson
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To: brucedickinson

This is a stupit as saying Jazz, Blues or Gospel is too black


43 posted on 03/08/2017 8:54:33 PM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: arrogantsob; Publius

I was blessed as a child to have attended the Saturday Morning Concerts at Boston Symphony Hall which were aimed towards children and sometimes had amazing guest conductors who explained the music before playing it.

Leonard Bernstein was a frequent guest, and it was under his baton that I first heard the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel’s Messiah.

It was over a half century ago, and I still remember exactly how it sounded and felt.

Leonard used to throw in some atonal stuff, but it was usually his own, like the overture to “Candide” which still had discernible Melodies, Harmonies, and Rhythm, which are, IMHO, necessary in music.


44 posted on 03/08/2017 8:56:27 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Publius

I had never heard of this composer before, but I like his music.

Some amazing art comes from suffering.

Not that anyone should have to go through such suffering, but there you go.


45 posted on 03/08/2017 8:59:48 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: brucedickinson

Classical music is actually mostly Asian, and female now

But they shouldn’t let that get in the way of a perfectly good anti-white slogan


46 posted on 03/08/2017 9:01:03 PM PST by PGR88 (The)
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To: left that other site

This isn’t classical music but there are a lot of female musicians playing in this zylophone band. Watch it all the way through; the bass player steals the show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKjWWMQpew


47 posted on 03/08/2017 9:08:49 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Ha Ha Ha!

I’m a bass player, and i dance around a bit too.

But not like that guy.


48 posted on 03/08/2017 9:15:37 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: brucedickinson
There are a few woman composers around - Jennifer Higdon, now at the University of Pennsylvania, has been getting a lot of play from the Philadelphia Orchestra among others of late - but the Philadelphia also plays a lot of Rachmaninoff and there's no comparison between works like Higdon's blue cathedral and anything Sergei ever wrote IMO.....
49 posted on 03/08/2017 9:17:01 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Perchant

That’s all true, but Blacks couldn’t have invented the blues, gospel, jazz, soul, or rock, without the influence of Anglo folk songs, Anglo church music, and Anglo instrumental folk music.....and the English language in general.

There were Black slaves in Cuba and Brazil, and they invented their own styles of music, combining Afro influences with Spanish and Portuguese influences. But it didn’t sound like the blues or rock.

And the American pop song is heavily influenced by Anglo music hall songs, and Jewish songwriters transformed it into something uniquely American.

But every form of American music has strong Anglo influences.


50 posted on 03/08/2017 9:30:30 PM PST by The Fop (God Bless Donald Trump, Frank Sinatra, Joan Rivers, and the Fightin' Rat Pack Wing of the GOP)
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To: StAntKnee
Have Snoop and Fitty Cent write something better than Bach, Beethoven, Mozart and all the rest. That’s all it would take.

Or something that will be played 250 years from now.

51 posted on 03/08/2017 9:58:27 PM PST by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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To: brucedickinson

Even my Asian friends make jokes about how many Asians play classical music. Calling classical white is nonsense.


52 posted on 03/08/2017 10:07:52 PM PST by BestPresidentEver
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To: left that other site

A few years ago, I featured the entire Quartet for the End of Time, movement by movement, at the Canteen. It’s an amazing piece of music, and I have the score sitting on my shelf. They’re programming it this summer at the Seattle Chamber Music Festival.


53 posted on 03/08/2017 10:10:04 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: BestPresidentEver

I think it was about composers, not the people who are making the sounds the composer envisioned.


54 posted on 03/08/2017 10:34:35 PM PST by Perchant
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To: Chgogal

Very interesting thread.


55 posted on 03/08/2017 10:45:18 PM PST by Chgogal (I will NOT submit, therefore, Jihadists hate me.)
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To: brucedickinson

Hey Joshie, how about you retards keep your hip hop rap crap and we civilized people will keep our “non-diverse” classical “white male” MUSIC. Deal?


56 posted on 03/08/2017 10:45:30 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it. - Clint Eastwood)
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To: brucedickinson

While I’ve always prided myself in having very broad musical tastes I’ve seldom been all that compelled by classical music. Yes, it’s awe-inspiring performed live and yes it’s highly apropos for certain events but for just listening, well, other than background music it’s just not meant all that much to me.

But, of late I’ve been very intrigued by visual representations and it’s changing my perception. For instance, take a look at the following, George Gershwin, Rhapsody In Blue:

https://youtu.be/XFF2miSQ4Zg

I’m one of those visual people, most math annoys me but I excel with geometry. Fine arts degree, been in graphics in one capacity or the other for all my professional life.

I think it’s stunning, to actually see it coming on in waves like that. Makes me want to take up Blender and try my hand at it myself. Sounds have colors, colors have sounds. Let a synaesthete get hold of it and it’ll really sing.


57 posted on 03/08/2017 11:00:53 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: left that other site; Jeff Chandler
Classical music is really quite boring...to watch.

IMHO good music is like that; best enjoyed with eyes closed.

If you have to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots, you're doing it wrong.

By the way, there's a sports team name for ya :)

58 posted on 03/09/2017 12:19:39 AM PST by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Jesus Christ was a white male. Well, olive complexion is still considered white no? Maybe the backlash out of nowhere towards white males stems from the antichrist spirit which is becoming more widespread in current age. Yeah, I tend to judge a lot of thing sthrough a biblical lens these days sorry!


59 posted on 03/09/2017 12:35:13 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: brucedickinson

Classical music is used constantly in background of movies.

However, whenever a character is seen playing or enjoying classical music, it’s time for them to commit an atrocity (usually Nazi).


60 posted on 03/09/2017 12:39:34 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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