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To: DiogenesLamp
>> That the *Union* fought the war over slavery is a demonstrable lie <<

You are correct, the *Union* fought the war to keep the United States intact as one nation, which they clearly stated at the time in 1861.

On the other hand, the fact that *Confederacy* seceded and waged war on the north in order to PRESERVE SLAVERY is ALSO a demostraable FACT, and their OWN documents of secession state that directly and clearly.

And yet many you still want to glorify an evil government created for the EXPLICIT cause of enslaving human beings, and continually FALSELY claim it was started over "states rights" when their own actions and constitution demostrate otherwise and that they were not interesting in giving state governments any "rights" that could be used to curtail their precious human cargo. You celebrate and champion the "heritage" of a "nation" created to promote an unspeakable evil against human beings.

You sicken me.

61 posted on 03/01/2017 8:19:53 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Some people are really taken in by the neoconfederate propaganda.

Some others hold bizarre views on the Dred Scott v. Sanford decision and actually believe it was Constitutional.


63 posted on 03/01/2017 8:42:29 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: BillyBoy
You are correct, the *Union* fought the war to keep the United States intact as one nation, which they clearly stated at the time in 1861.

So why do people like you promulgate the misleading claim that the Union went to war to end slavery? That is a blatant lie. It is a coverup for the truth. Focusing on slavery as the issue is deliberately misleading.

The truth is that the Union went to war with the South to prevent the South from being financially independent of the North. Too much money was at stake if the South could trade directly with Europe. Too many people were making money off of the existing system.

This is why Lincoln didn't make "slavery" an issue in the war for the first 18 months it was being fought. His New York backers wanted that slaver earned revenue to continue funneling into their pockets. It was only after he realized the South would not be beaten easily that he used the abolition of slavery in the states held to be in "rebellion" as a threat to get them to give up.

Had the South given up in that first 18 months, Lincoln would have protected their slavery. He said so. He supported the Corwin amendment which would make slavery permanent.

So when people like you get on your high horse about "slavery", you are deliberately ignoring the truth about Lincoln and slavery, because you desperately want to believe that what he and the Union did in killing 750,000 people was for some greater moral purpose.

To you the actual truth is a very ugly thing. This is why you don't want to face it.

And yet many you still want to glorify an evil government created for the EXPLICIT cause of enslaving human beings, and continually FALSELY claim it was started over "states rights" when their own actions and constitution demostrate otherwise and that they were not interesting in giving state governments any "rights" that could be used to curtail their precious human cargo. You celebrate and champion the "heritage" of a "nation" created to promote an unspeakable evil against human beings.

Stop trying to push a narrative and claiming that these ideas are coming from me. No, I do not support slavery, and I am glad it is gone. It would have been better had it never existed, but I'm not going to deny the truth of history just because I find an aspect of it ugly.

Slavery was bad, but it was legal and widely practiced in the Union for a little longer than "four score and seven years", and to claim otherwise is just a form of lying.

You sicken me.

Grow up. Stop imagining me to be the boogie man that personifies your projections of evil. I don't support slavery in any sense, and never have. What I do support is the rights of 13 slave owning colonies to break away from Britain, and since our very existence establishes the principle of "Independence" as valid, I support other states exercising the very same right our founders enshrined in the Declaration of Independence.

My position has everything to do with a right to independence, and nothing to do with slavery.

71 posted on 03/02/2017 7:29:28 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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