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To: DesertRhino
I only ever had to pull my gun once and there were three of them and I had a five shot J frame and I and my wife got lucky that day. I never carried it again after that. I carry a Glock 20 most of the time now. I like 10mm because it provides 357 magnum energy in a semi-auto platform. I would be perfectly fine with a Glock 17 or 19 though (9mm).

Multiple attacker homicides are increasingly normal these days. It's common enough that you almost have to assume that you will be facing more than one person.

For the reasons I have already stated and more, a high cap semi-auto is an infinitely better choice than a 5-6 shot revolver.

There's a reason that no cops, feds, military folks, or serious gunfighter types carry revolvers anymore. To be brutally honest, people that sit behind their key boards trying to convince other people that revolvers are somehow a better choice than a quality high cap semi-auto are dumba**es.

56 posted on 02/11/2017 9:11:16 PM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: RC one

There is no empirical evidence from all of the CCW data of the superiority of either a semi-auto pistol or a revolver.

In fact, in the VAST MAJORITY of CCW defense cases, just brandishing the weapon scares off the attacker. It could be a toy or squirt gun in most defenses and the attacker would still be just as disuaded.

In the vast majority of cases where a CCW holder fires shots, there is no empirical evidence that a .50 S&W, .44 Magnum, 10mm, 45 ACP or other big bad boy, etc, is better than a .22LR. This is becaus in the vast majority of CCW shootings, the perps flee the instant they hear shots. They don’t wait around to check the size of the hole in the gun or see if they can distinguish between the shatteringly loud sound of a .22 vs the shatteringly louder sound of a hand cannon like a .44 Mag. All guns sound loud when you are taking fire.

So back to what is REAL.

Carrying a hand-gun is insurance that very few of us will ever need in our lifetimes.

For those who feel better having this not-likely-to-ever-be-used insurance, having anything is better than having nothing. Having a .32 0r .380 mouse gun is just as good as having a hand cannon for most of the CCW encounters you will have, let alone the fact that 98% of us will never have to defend ourselves against a threat of death or serious injury.

For those who want a 16 round hand cannon that could stop a pride of lions, if that is what it takes to feel comfortable as insurance against an event that likely will never take place in your lifetime, then have at it. You have my respect as your premium insurance prepares you for any and all contingencies.

Some people just want catastrophic insurance and carrying a pocket mouse gun works great for that.

Some want a moderate insurance plan and carrying a revolver or 9mm auto of modest capacity works well for that.

Carry a 16 round hand-cannon certainly works well for everything, your platinum insurance.

But please don’t tell everybody else what works for them, when the odds of needing to pull a handgun in defense of life or against serious bodily injury is so low, with such a vast number of people never having to do so, let alone never carrying anyway.

This is also mitigated for most of us Freepers by our sociology-economic class. We tend not to be where the baddies all hang out most of the time. It is usually a marginal time and place that puts us at risk and we can often mitigate that by generally planning around that. Not always of course. And by our situational awareness, which is huge. Dumb people have it a lot worse, so do people with their noses in their iphones checking social media all day.


64 posted on 02/11/2017 10:27:19 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The GOP will see the light, because Trump will make them feel the heat.)
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To: RC one
"There's a reason that no cops, feds, military folks, or serious gunfighter types carry revolvers anymore. To be brutally honest, people that sit behind their key boards trying to convince other people that revolvers are somehow a better choice than a quality high cap semi-auto are dumba**es."

CCW is different from being a cop or soldier. CCW is not supposed to be about being a "serious gunfighter type". CCW is not about clearing buildings or taking the offense against bank robbers.

If a gang rushes you, then the survivors will get your gun with ammo still in it. But the one time I needed to pull a gun, they didn't do the math: "8 - 2 = 6" - because no one wanted to be #1 or #2. On that day, I had a 22 LR. And no one thought a 22 was too small to worry about.

Guns do not PROTECT you. No matter how many bullets you have and how big they are, if you trade shots, you may still die. As the FBI points out, shooting someone in the heart with a 44 magnum will not prevent them from emptying their Glock into you.

The biggest myth about guns and self defense is that guns shield the carrier. People want to believe they will protect them, but all they can do is raise the cost of an attack. If the attacker is willing to pay the price - the Miami shootout, or some terrorists - then no handgun will prevent them from attacking for the next 10-20 seconds. A CNS hit probably will, but those depend more on luck than skill.

When carrying, you don't have the right to pull a gun unless there is significant danger. A gun may persuade an attacker(s) it isn't worth pursuing, and you may get lucky and hit the CNS, but they don't prevent you from being shot. Or stabbed.

If multiple attackers decide to attack in spite of a gun, you won't have time to shoot more than a couple. But very few gangbangers want to rush someone who is able to shoot back.

Bottom line? Lots of people live to old age without ever needing to CCW. It isn't just luck. It includes avoiding places that are dangerous, keeping your eyes open, listening when your gut tells you something is wrong, etc. A lot of us still go "naked" because work takes us places where carrying is illegal and where there are searches.

If I was going somewhere that I believed I needed a Glock 20 with 10mm ammo...I wouldn't go. I sometimes carry a bigger gun - 686 or Beretta 92 - but that happens when my dress allows me to conceal those guns. I've often carried just a Beretta Pico. And I'm often not carrying at all.

I don't tell ANYONE what to carry. I don't give a rat's rear end what you or anyone else carries. Carry a shotgun if you wish. I don't care. But you are not God Almighty and you don't get to tell total strangers what they must do. Nor do you have the right to attack others for sharing what works for them & why.

80 posted on 02/12/2017 7:47:47 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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