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How dangerous is the EMF from cordless phones and routers for pets?
1/31/17 | Me, myself, & I

Posted on 01/31/2017 6:59:21 AM PST by EinNYC

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To: sit-rep
someone has too much time on their hands...

So why are you announcing your unfortunate condition to us all? Go find a cure for cancer or something!

61 posted on 01/31/2017 9:38:23 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Nobody on this thread is advocating animal cruelty. You’re the one who came on here looking for help; therefore you don’t get to tell people to get off this site renowned for its humor because someone made an admittedly lame joke.


62 posted on 01/31/2017 9:39:13 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("January 20, 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again.")
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To: A Navy Vet
Ok, I can see you're in full-mockery mode. I'm reluctant to hit back in kind, because I have a son who is a Navy vet myself.

But it needs to be said that there should be room for serious discussion and disagreement on this topic. FReepers of all people should know better than to be un-skeptical of much of the so-called "settled science" that is out there.

Not everyone who is concerned about the effects of exposure to wifi is deserving of tin-foil hat ridicule. There's good reason to be skeptical of proclamations that this kind of radiation is completely harmless, as some have done here.

And likewise, not every engineer who comments on a thread has enough data -or enough expertise (in fields such as public health, for example)- to make pronouncements of harmlessness with such certainty.

63 posted on 01/31/2017 9:42:33 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: EinNYC

pffft


64 posted on 01/31/2017 9:43:01 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: EinNYC
One unknown side effect of too much RF is a diminished sense of humor.....stay away from your microwave one year!

There have been documented cases of animal cruelty where people put small dogs or cats into microwaves. In some cases, it was a naive old lady who didn't realize the harm and was only trying to dry off her wet dog. In another case, it was a vicious black teenage girl who bragged about putting a tiny kitten into a microwave on purpose to kill it. The agony that these animals had to have gone through is no laughing matter at all. There is nothing wrong with my sense of humor, but there seems to be something wrong with your callousness. 

Nothing wrong with my callousness.....it's honed on the self-righteous, holier than thou attitude of some.....common sense told me that Paladin2 had no intention of advocating putting an animal into the microwave.

65 posted on 01/31/2017 9:44:01 AM PST by crazy scenario (We can't take you anywhere)
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To: crazy scenario
Nothing wrong with my callousness.....it's honed on the self-righteous, holier than thou attitude of some.....common sense told me that Paladin2 had no intention of advocating putting an animal into the microwave.

It's not even something to be discussed in jest, it's so horrible.

66 posted on 01/31/2017 9:46:04 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC
"Pets have routers? How else would they know where to "go"?

Give them a GPS implant and some 3D goggles. Good for Fido to locate the neighbor's lawn. Batteries not included.

67 posted on 01/31/2017 9:57:18 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: EinNYC
"There have been documented cases of animal cruelty where people put small dogs or cats into microwaves. The agony that these animals had to have gone through is no laughing matter at all."

I agree with you. Such cruelty is horrific. It's not funny.

68 posted on 01/31/2017 10:03:11 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: EinNYC
" It's not even something to be discussed in jest, it's so horrible. "

Now you're a self appointed moderator who tells the rest of us what we can/can't write.

69 posted on 01/31/2017 10:07:14 AM PST by crazy scenario (We can't take you anywhere)
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To: crazy scenario
Now you're a self appointed moderator who tells the rest of us what we can/can't write.

Self-appointed moderator? Goodness, I'm gonna get an identity complex, you have so many labels for me. I am not dictating what anyone can write. I am suggesting that something is so atrocious that to jest about it is just not the proper thing to do. Putting a live animal into a microwave oven to cook it to death is atrocious and anyone who has a high level of empathy with animals would not want to be made to even think about the pain and terror the poor thing would suffer. End of story. If you get off on reading and writing about doing that, please don't inform me about it.

70 posted on 01/31/2017 10:14:47 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC
 anyone who has a high level of empathy with animals would not want to be made to even think about the pain and terror the poor thing would suffer. End of story. If you get off on reading and writing about doing that, please don't inform me about it.

OK Grany....I would prefer to wring my hands about those thousands of poor African animals, who as I write this, are being chased by a lion, leopard, cheetah.....knowing that when caught, fang filled jaws are going to clamp on it's throat.....ripping & tearing flesh....blood gushing......and as life is ebbing from every cell of it's small innocence body.....death can't come quickly enough as that horrible cat is feasting on still quivering muscles.......OH! The horror....and do you know about man made climate change. We're all gone die.....I'm going off line now. I hear a butterfly outside calling for help. It's caught in a spider web....and there's a big black spider creeping toward it.

71 posted on 01/31/2017 10:57:27 AM PST by crazy scenario (We can't take you anywhere)
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To: shhrubbery!
"Not everyone who is concerned about the effects of exposure to wifi is deserving of tin-foil hat ridicule. There's good reason to be skeptical of proclamations that this kind of radiation is completely harmless, as some have done here. And likewise, not every engineer who comments on a thread has enough data -or enough expertise (in fields such as public health, for example)- to make pronouncements of harmlessness with such certainty."

Yes, I shouldn't have mocked, I apologize. However, Engineers don't have to be "health experts" to know the affects of EMR throughout the spectrum.

Think sir, has there ever been a case proven that with today's radiation health professionals no one has died in 77 years since radio/tv EMR has been around? Go further back with Edison (died at 84) and Tesla (died at 87) and their electric inventions that emitted strong EMR. Don't bother with x-rays, all accept too much is bad.

Feel free to not believe the Engineers on this board - they are anonymous posters. Do your research regarding EMR and what is ionizing and non-ionizing and at what strength (wattage) non-ionizing EM can be damaging...it's soley in the heat spectrum and not radio spectrum. I researched and found that other than some conspiracy blogs, the above engineers were correct.

People will claim they get headaches and other symptoms from using their phones next to their heads. There has been NO cause and effect studies to prove such. People get headaches and/or cancer from countless causes. Causality has been distorted over the years. Why do you think the ambulance-chasers on TV have so many ads for so many devices/treatments? Because they know they can always argue causality in poorly conducted studies.

I'm 67 and remember the new Ice Age, Ozone depletion, DDT, Nature vs Nurture, Alacar scare, etc. So I'm not always a fan of scientific theory. However, while scientists don't understand the nature of EM waves, they have done countless tests/studies regarding their affect on living organisms. I also remember the warnings of sitting to close to television sets in the 50s and 60s. It would ruin your eyes and the radiation could make you sterile. I have 4 perfectly healthy grand-children.

Again, non-ionizing wave lengths have NO impact on the human body unless in the IR/Micro-wave spectrum that will heat tissue. Unlike global warming theory, this is truly settled science. You can always throw your cell phone away and use a land line. But then if it's plugged into an outlet for messages, you're probably getting a low dose of EMR. Also, stay out of the sunlight (photons are deadly). Good luck and please take this as humor. That's how it's meant.

72 posted on 01/31/2017 11:27:32 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: shhrubbery!
" I have a son who is a Navy vet..."

Sorry, I missed that. Good for your son and good for you for raising a son that would defend his homeland.

73 posted on 01/31/2017 11:29:35 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: crazy scenario
"Now you're a self appointed moderator who tells the rest of us what we can/can't write."

It's up to the owner of this board and his moderators. Still, it was one sick f*cking joke because it has happened numerous times. Disclaimer: No, I'm not some radical PETA dipshit, I just love dogs. C'mon back if you want to defend that shitazz joke.

74 posted on 01/31/2017 11:39:39 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: EinNYC

Hopefully


75 posted on 01/31/2017 12:17:29 PM PST by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and : domestic")
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To: EinNYC; Paladin2
"It’s like putting the cat in the microwave..."

Precisely. If your cat sleeps directly directly on top of your MiFi device for 1,378.4 years, you better have her checked for lukemia

Don't worry -- "The science is settled"... '-)

76 posted on 01/31/2017 12:50:32 PM PST by TXnMA ( A day without learning something, plus praying for someone who never knows of it -- is wasted.)
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To: EinNYC; Paladin2
"It’s like putting the cat in the microwave..."

Precisely. If your cat sleeps directly directly on top of your MiFi device for 1,378.4 years, you better have her checked for lukemia

Don't worry -- "The science is settled"... '-)

77 posted on 01/31/2017 12:50:49 PM PST by TXnMA ( A day without learning something, plus praying for someone who never knows of it -- is wasted.)
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To: A Navy Vet

There is another factor. A WiFi node has an antenna with some “gain”. The gain presents energy to the intended coverage area and limits energy to areas where coverage isn’t needed. It is analyzed as if the “effective isotropically radiated power” were “real” but in actuality a 20mW transmitter through a 10dbi antenna “acts” like a point radiating antenna fed with 200mW to someone in the intended coverage area. A WiFi node can’t produce heat in excess of its actual power output.

So in your case, we would need more info about the level of heat you wanted to achieve, factor in Rf power required to generate that much heat, taking into account RF energy that escapes the room.

Just buy a heating pad.....


78 posted on 01/31/2017 4:27:19 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: EinNYC

Why does your pet need a router?


79 posted on 01/31/2017 5:24:07 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I never ever set out to make anyone feel safe. - S E Hinton)
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To: A Navy Vet
"Feel free to not believe the Engineers on this board - they are anonymous posters."

I will reveal my actual identity to any FReeper who will return the favor. With resume and contact info. If they will do the same in FReepmail.

80 posted on 01/31/2017 7:24:36 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; I celebrated; I'm good. Let's get on with the civil war now.)
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