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To: MHGinTN

“Mary is not the mother of someone Who existed before she was created.”

Of course she is! And every Protestant on earth believes that she is, because she is the mother of Jesus Chist, who is the Second Person of the Trinity!

That’s precisely the point. Mary became the mother of the eternal Word when he became incarnate in her womb.

She was not ETERNALLY the mother of the Word. She BECAME the mother of the Word about 2,000 years ago. She is the mother of Jesus Christ now. Since Jesus Christ is the eternal Word, God, Mary is the mother of the Word, i.e., God.

Since no one has ever claimed that Mary has been eternally the mother of God, it is preposterous to keep clamoring that Mary could not be the mother of God eternally.

It’s like writing dozens and dozens of books proving to the world that Abraham Lincoln was NOT shot in Dallas in 1963.


149 posted on 12/27/2016 4:18:42 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Nice try, really, nice try.

In your syllogism, was Sam a fireman at birth? No. So Sam the fireman does not equate with The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us.

The Blessed Mary gave birth to the human side of God the Son, The Word Who was made flesh and dwelt among us. You are desperate to take the mystery and explain it in human reasoning when it cannot be done.

Can you tell us when the soul of an individual human being is fully present within the physical body or entangled with the physical cell structure? I am well versed in Embryology and I cannot do it. It remains a great mystery to my intellect. When you can show me the definitive moment that the soul is in residence with the individual human being THEN we can discuss the issue of Who or what The Blessed Mary gestated in her womb.

I can share this with you, Jesus taught His disciples that all they could see of God The Father Almighty was where God intersected their limits of perception for knowing, and that intersection IS Jesus. For The Father is in Him and He is in The Father, He named Himself long before He was born of Mary, as God with us.

To make the specious claim that Mary is or was the mother of God is to commit more than one logical error at the same time. You know the medical definition of conception. The Angel told Mary:

Luke 1:35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come over you, and the power of the Most High will surround you. Therefore, the child will be holy and will be called the Son of God.[ISV] As a Priest, are you able to tell us when during the gestational time there is fully a 'child' present in the womb? Is there a child there even before the beginning of building the actual body, when the embryonic encapsulation has started within which a whole human body will be built? You do know that the Mother's body builds none of the structures of encapsulation or the body within that structure, right? Wa Jesus implanted in Mary's womb already in the encapsulation? ... We just do not have a way to answer these points!

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [KJV]

Luke 1:35 And the messenger answering said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten thing shall be called Son of God;[Young's Literal Translation]

Can you tell us whether a sex gamete from Mary was used to form the zygotic first cell of Jesus? Can you tell us from what source came the male sex gamete of the zygote Jesus? Can you even tell us whether Jesus when through the zygotic stage then morulla stage of gestation, before implanting in Mary's womb, differentiating to form the water world encapsulation, then forming a placenta, amniotic sac, and a body for living in the air world?

You nor anyone else knows when the human soul of Jesus was fully present within the cellular being gestating in The Blessed Mary's womb. And not any living soul can tell us when the spirit is present with the soul in the body. So how can you continue to claim Mary gestated God in her womb? You don't know enough to make such an assertion, in fact.

You will believe what you want to on the issues, but take care that your beliefs are not being align in such a way as to place The Creator in a box which you believe you are empowered to manipulate.

150 posted on 12/27/2016 7:10:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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