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To: Strac6

The issue was WHY did LEO and FBI teams set up on a road in the first place, especially on a blind curve outside cell range and without medical?

The Oregon Gov. wanted it over, and so someone had to be the patsy-someone not a Bundy.

Finicum was not shot to wound. He was shot to kill. No tasers, no shots to the shoulder or legs. He was shot to kill.

“Now, it may have been that LaVoy was wanting to go and speak with the Sheriff of Grant County (close where this all occurred).  It is widely known that unlike Harney County, Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer had publicly stated that the FBI should leave the area, and that the federal government should engage in a discussion of the grievances of the protesters.  Quite literally, according to Victoria’s account, the massive ambush and use of force was employed by the FBI and OSP in direct response to LaVoy being alarmed by the force (including unprovoked shots being fired) and driving off shouting that he was going to try and reach the “Sheriff” who was the man in government and law enforcement that was most receptive to his prior request for safety and protection.  That same man, Sheriff Palmer is also the central law enforcement figure in the county where more the 200 supportive locals had gathered to hear Ammon and LaVoy speak, including Sheriff.  In fact, the whole setup ensured, that despite the prior three week approach, the government chose this time to act to keep Ammon and LaVoy from gaining support for the occupation in nearby Grant County and its Sheriff.   (Update:  1/28/2016 recent text message records published from a screen shot of Sheriff Palmer’s iPhone shows support for this view.  Sheriff Palmer commented “FBI and OSP know me…and they know I wouldn’t have allowed” their operation which “is why I think they did it in Harney County.  I believe they also did this to keep them from getting a tentacle into this county and from spreading as they were getting traction and momentum.”)

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In addition to the material already covered above, it is well known and well reported, including by the New York Times, that Ammon and LaVoy had already reached out to Sheriff Palmer as a member of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA), that he had previously been that organizations “lawman of the year” and had openly challenged the jurisdiction of federal agents in his county.  This claim is central to the motivation for the occupation.  In fact, LaVoy knew that Sheriff Palmer had publicly challenged the notion that federal agents had any law enforcement or policing authority outside of the confines of the local federal court house.
As pointed out above, Sheriff Palmer has openly speculated that the timing and show of force were directly meant to prevent Ammon and LaVoy from reaching Grant County and reaching the 200+ local supporters.  (Update: 1/29/2016 George Plaven from Capital Press is reporting that while citizens waited in Grant County, and word came in about the tragic murder and arrests, the citizens there recognized the FBI and OSP actions as an “ambush” and Organizer Tad Houpt, of Canyon City, promised the crowd there would be another meeting in the very near future stating, “We’re not going to stop, we’re not going to take this anymore.”)

http://www.freecapitalist.com/2016/01/27/the-ambush-and-murder-of-robert-lavoy-finicum/


60 posted on 12/10/2016 7:56:14 PM PST by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! And please, God, bless the USA again.)
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To: combat_boots

“Finicum was not shot to wound. He was shot to kill. No tasers, no shots to the shoulder or legs. He was shot to kill.”

Of course he was shot to kill. ANYONE shooting at another person should only do so with a firmly based conviction that the person they are about to shoot poses a current, valid and sufficient threat to kill or severely injure them or someone they know.

Shoulder shots, leg shots, warning shots, tasers through thick winter clothing, that all stuff of the movies.

If you have legal and moral authority to shoot, the only shot is a kill shot.

In the instant, he was a man who was part of a group that had made multiple credible threats to kill LEOs. If he wanted to surrender, all he had to do was stop.

The reality, he chose to run at an armed LEO, after demonstrating hostile, murderous intent as described above.

In that moment, it’s the same thing Michael Brown did.

The bottom line, if someone who is party to a group that has threatened to kill members of group to which I belong, has been photographed numerous times with a deadly weapon, charges at me after commands to stop, I’m going to shoot to kill him, because the only alternative is to give him permission to kill me if he chooses to.

Like Michael Brown, all he had to do was stop and he would be alive today.

Guns and anarchy are very serious and deadly business. Finicum paid the price for his foolishness.

All he had to do was stop.

There are plenty of real Conservative heroes. Finicum, who chose to be shot, is not one of them.

All he had to do was stop.


61 posted on 12/10/2016 8:18:20 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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