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Finally, the left no longer frames the debate
Toronto Sun ^ | Nov. 19, 2016 | Anthony Furey

Posted on 11/20/2016 3:46:43 AM PST by rickmichaels

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1 posted on 11/20/2016 3:46:43 AM PST by rickmichaels
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I hope the rest of the Republicans wake up and start following Trump lead. You can’t play “nice” with these people.


2 posted on 11/20/2016 4:04:36 AM PST by HarleyD
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I love that Trump fights back. Bush was so disappointing in that respect, the media kept piling on and his admin was silent. I heard more from Dick Cheney after the Bush Admin than during!


3 posted on 11/20/2016 4:11:50 AM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: rickmichaels

The author sounds as weak and hesitant as the romney of 47% fame that he criticizes in his article.

He wants to boldy say that Trump’s unaplogetic and counterpunching nature is exactly what the world needs, but he tempers it by saying Trump is a loose cannon.

Thus, instead of being a Trump-like lion, he is nothing more than a squeamish romney-style loser.


4 posted on 11/20/2016 4:14:07 AM PST by Vision Thing (You see the depths of my heart, and You love me the same...)
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Why do so many Trump supporters feel it’s necessary to condemn him before admiring him? It’s the same old, same old: “Sure, he’s vulgar, disgusting, awful, hateful and I stay awake nights embarrassed by the things he has said, but by-jingo! I then get up and realize he may actually be right.” To use a Jim Robinson expression: Knock it off!


5 posted on 11/20/2016 4:27:35 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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For the longest time I have been telling anyone who will listen that we needed a candidate who could talk past or completely bypass the media, and with the leftists’ little Twitter and FBook Donald has done that. Has to drive them nuts!


6 posted on 11/20/2016 4:32:44 AM PST by Shady (We WON the Battle, Now let's WIN THE WAR!!!!)
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To: rickmichaels

Ever since the McGovernites took over the party 44 years ago, they have been fighting a war with us, and we have been holding political debates with them, so we won the ideological debate and they got everything they wanted.

In a war, you win by executing superior force as defined by the enemy’s terms, and in the present war of domestic politics the terms of engagement are personal, hand-to-hand conflict. Trump won, and continues to win, because he fights the MSM, Dems, and the Two Families (Chicago and Chappequa) the way they have been fighting us, with the main difference being that most of his salvos have been truthful attacks, while most of the left’s are lies, and that’s why his is superior force. Reagan did the same thing but with a smile and an “aw gee shucks” feel, but Trump is Grant/Halsey/Patton/LeMay-esque in his open determination to overcome the foe. Cruz would have debated the left to death (and I was a Cruzer all the way to Indiana), but Trump just goes for the carotid and lets fly.


7 posted on 11/20/2016 4:52:09 AM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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It is only partly Trump.

The main reason the media no longer controls the debate is the new media, like Twitter, is an alternate way to get information out.

Trump was able to take advantage of the new media to break the stranglehold on information flow that the establishment media had for decades. It has been building for years.

It has not happened sooner, because conventional politicians could not figure out how to use the new media to full advantage. The closest was Ted Cruz. He used new media to get elected to the Senate.


8 posted on 11/20/2016 4:59:34 AM PST by marktwain
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I think this analysis is spot on. Trump reframed the debate when he announced his intention to run. The Republican primary and the general were debated on Trump’s terms.

The Left and the MSM still don’t get it. Hopefully the GOPe has finally been hit on the head with the Trump sledge hammer often and hard enough.


9 posted on 11/20/2016 5:00:45 AM PST by CapitalistCrusader
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Attempting to work with the left is like Israel trying to work with Palestinians.


10 posted on 11/20/2016 5:04:05 AM PST by fruser1
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It was the left and their media allies at their best. They framed the debate. They set the agenda. They cornered Romney until he backed down. And, of course, he still lost.

Trump, as we all know, doesn’t back down. This is why the far-left machine has become so insane in recent weeks.

It's been beautiful watching this, and it is happening everywhere! Trump and his people are punching back and the left doesn't know what to do. They're simply not used to being stood up to.

11 posted on 11/20/2016 5:16:38 AM PST by Drew68
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The BSM is only really effective when the libtards are in power and it can function as the propaganda arm of the libtard state. The State can then “make things happen” that support the BSM.

When libtards are not in power they have to go back to their day job at the BSM. Actually committing journalism. Doing research, tracking down interviews, piecing together stories. Things are so much easier when Podesta and crew just send you talking points to report.

I suspect this is why Trump has their knickers in a bunch. Party’s over. Back to work.


12 posted on 11/20/2016 5:29:29 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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I got so sick of some of my email friends complaining that Trump wasn't acting "presidential" enough for them on the campaign stump.

My response was always, "You mean presidential, like all the past failed presidents were presidential?"

I didn't want the same cookie-cutter, bland politician who promised the same old crap that they never followed through on and basically joined with the opposition to screw the American people some more.

Apparently, a bunch more people out here in TrumpLand figured it the same way, because he is now our President-Elect.

Give 'em hell Donald. Be yourself and do what needs to be done.

13 posted on 11/20/2016 5:41:39 AM PST by HotHunt
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I love that Trump fights back.

Me too, and I thinks it's the #1 reason he won because everything else flows from that.

14 posted on 11/20/2016 5:47:12 AM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: miss marmelstein

You don’t mean Trump supporters


15 posted on 11/20/2016 6:11:36 AM PST by rhoda_penmark
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On a couple of accounts they’ll be right. Like how it suggests Trump is too hasty to engage in petty antics to address major issues that require greater restraint. Like, say, foreign affairs. Hopefully not. We shall see.

Fell for it, did you, Anthony? He is messing with you at the trivial level, because that is where your mind is. He is trying to get something done and you, you little puppy nipping at his heals, are being fed spiked dog treats to make you feel sick so you go away and learn not to nip at his heals. You know how small minded Trump is. He has a long history of getting wrapped up in petty insults, he completely forgets that his intent was to build, oh, say Trump Tower.

16 posted on 11/20/2016 6:27:22 AM PST by AndyJackson
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He now needs to use it to re-frame the debate around issues that really matter.

No, we had that debate and the left lost. Now go away. Your kind don't want to debate the real issues, not like with facts and logic. You just want to slander, smear and put out a false narrative. So Trump responds to your fake puffer by throwing out insults. You take the bait and you debate about his right on the mark insults and leave off the big issues.

The left has not been about debating big issues since the recovery from the Great Depression.

17 posted on 11/20/2016 6:30:17 AM PST by AndyJackson
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Agree - the left has us using their rhetorical framing - well maybe there is something positive here, but there is an awful lot negative to get through first - accepting the meme that he has all these traits and THEY ARE BAD! BAD I TELL YOU!


18 posted on 11/20/2016 6:32:12 AM PST by AndyJackson
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re: (My) job is not to worry about those people....Romney.

Trump worries about these people and how they are enslaved to dependency on government. Trump in substance is different from Romney.


19 posted on 11/20/2016 7:14:11 AM PST by spintreebob
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Trump, as we all know, doesn’t back down. This is why the far-left machine has become so insane in recent weeks. Earlier in the campaign, they thought they’d cornered a rat. Then they realized they just locked themselves in a room with a lion. And now he’s not only lashing out at them, but has jumped over them and is blocking their escape. For the first time in years, they’re the ones who are cornered.
20 posted on 11/20/2016 7:17:30 AM PST by combat_boots (I no longer know what to say to put here. Pray for us.)
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