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To: AnotherUnixGeek
No Escape key makes it a non-starter for me. A shame - I’m typing this on a Macbook Pro and I would have enjoyed upgrading. But I still use and love vi, and I need a real Escape key.

Both the ESC key and the full set of Function Keys still exist as virtual keys accessed by pressing the Function Key (hey, who'da thought that the Function Key would bring up Function Keys?) Press the Function Key and the Touch Bar turns into the full set of Function Keys with the ESC key in its normal location on the left.

21 posted on 10/27/2016 7:19:06 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

$1500 starting price for a computer which should be $300-700 is insane. I’ll be switching from MacBook Air to a PC.


22 posted on 10/27/2016 7:24:21 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the good work bro. My Mac Book Pro is only 3 years old, so I doubt I will upgrade to another one for a few years. I have never even used Siri on it, though I have used it occasionally on my IPhone 6.


24 posted on 10/27/2016 7:31:52 PM PDT by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered. All it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage.)
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To: Swordmaker
Both the ESC key and the full set of Function Keys still exist as virtual keys accessed by pressing the Function Key (hey, who'da thought that the Function Key would bring up Function Keys?) Press the Function Key and the Touch Bar turns into the full set of Function Keys with the ESC key in its normal location on the left.

A virtual key. I'll give it a try when the new MacBooks hit the Apple stores, but I'd rather just have a real Escape key without having to remap another physical key. It's hard to understand why Apple chose to get rid of the Escape key - they know many of their users use Bash with 'set -o vi' as well as vi itself.
46 posted on 10/27/2016 9:07:14 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Swordmaker; AnotherUnixGeek
Press the Function Key and the Touch Bar turns into the full set of Function Keys with the ESC key in its normal location on the left.

Fail!

AUG is a vi user. Your workaround is an additional keystroke, but vi is all about keystroke efficiency!

Merely touching the mouse (or its surrogate) is something vi enables its users to avoid (a feature, not a bug). Having to invoke a mode change through a soft function key keyboard first in order to access a basic control key is a deal-breaker.

That said, when not traveling, I use a Bluetooth keyboard (and a 30" external monitor) with my MBP. So, if ESC still works from the BT keyboard, I'm probably happy.

53 posted on 10/27/2016 11:48:33 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Swordmaker

How does one do a ctrl-alt-delete on a MacPro? That is the most useful function on my PC that I miss on Apple products.


65 posted on 10/28/2016 10:26:21 AM PDT by The Westerner ("Giving Away the Internet or Any Part of It Is Sheer Lunacy" Jim Robinson)
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