[C19fan]

The defects of the M-113 have been known for a long time going back to Vietnam. Surprised the IDF has not replaced more over the years considering the wide variety of APCs on the int'l arms market.

[Little Ray]

The IDF didn’t get rid of Shermans until the 1970s.
The M113 has plenty of uses away from the battle front. It will be around after you and I are gone.

[donozark]

RPG magnets. And the new RPG-30 series will slice through most any type of armor. Ask the Ukrainians. The Donbas is littered with T-63s, BTRs, BMPs,etc.

ATGMs largely responsible as well as RPGs. Just as it was in Georgia.

[wastoute]

Evolution in combat is as old as humanity. The first hominid to pick up a stick soon thereafter had a rock thrown at him...

[onedoug]

M-113 to ACAV, 68-69 RVN.

No support driving in. IDF rescuers beaten back?

Something’s amiss.

[blueunicorn6]

The purpose of an APC is to allow the Infantry to “close” with the enemy without getting chewed up first.

You have to protect them from air attack.

You have to protect them from artillery attack.

You have to protect them from machine gun attack.

You have to protect them from anti-personnel mines.

You have to get them through obstacles.

Then, you have to worry about chemical attacks and anti-tank weapons.

The bigger it is, the easier to spot it and shoot it.

The more armor you have, the slower it goes and the harder it is to move by air.

Wheels can’t go some places that tracks can, but tracks are expensive and hard to maintain.

Lots of trade offs.

[PIF]

Eitan APC (prototype)

Wheeled, 750Hp, 35 tons. Similar to the German Boxer in concept. Reactive armor and an unmanned cannon either 30 or 40 millimeters in size; Trophy system; 9 passengers 3 crew; double-V hull; 5 years to field.

Also have tracked Namer APC based on Merkava chassis at 60 tons. "It (Eitan) travels quickly on roads between sectors. It will work together with the Namer, allowing us to engage faster,” Brig. Gen. Baruch Matzliah.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

[blueunicorn6]

When we look at armored vehicles, we always look from the view of being in the armored vehicle.

It takes two to make a fight.

What is it like for the enemy?

Yes, the anti-tank missiles are good.

But the anti-tank missile gunner is a weak link.

He has to breathe.

He has to see.

He has to be supplied.

If spotted, he is easily dispatched.

He is not very mobile.

He doesn’t have much support.

The Germans had a good anti-tank weapon in the Panzerfaust in WWII. The American tankers decided that everyone with a Panzerfaust would be killed. Word got around to the Germans.

Our tanks rolled through Germany.