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Military history geeks bar fight. Bismarck has a fearsome reputation but it was just an updated version of the WW II Bayern Class battleship. The Iowas were an more up to date design, being bigger, faster, more turret and deck armor, with heavier guns.
1 posted on 07/29/2016 7:43:59 AM PDT by C19fan
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I think the Iowa class also had radar something the Bismark did not have. Hands down the Iowa class destroys it unless it runs away IMO.


2 posted on 07/29/2016 7:45:25 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws maintain the status quo now.)
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Iowa by a bunch.


3 posted on 07/29/2016 7:45:39 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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IIRC the Bismarck was technically a heavy cruiser; not sure what the distinction is.


4 posted on 07/29/2016 7:47:53 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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The Bismark barely beat the HMS Hood, a cruiser. Granted, the Hood had help but it was vastly overrated, especially in the tight quarters of the North Sea. In the open waters, who knows.


5 posted on 07/29/2016 7:48:01 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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Iowa. Unless she had her radar taken out AND she had to manually traverse her turrets....then Bismark could just run around her.
7 posted on 07/29/2016 7:50:24 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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Biskmark: 15 inch guns - Effective range = 38,880 yards = 20.9 miles

Iowa Class: 16 inch guns - Effective range = 42,345 yards = 22.8 miles

The Iowa class, by a mile. Make that almost TWO miles. {;^)

9 posted on 07/29/2016 7:52:07 AM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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10 posted on 07/29/2016 7:52:55 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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11 posted on 07/29/2016 7:53:51 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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Bismark was sunk on its first outing, design flaw allowed a single torpedo hit to disable its ability to maneuver leaving it a sitting duck... its kind of hard to argue that the Bismark would win, given history of the Bismark...

But lets play this out, Iowa, faster speed, Better fire control, and Radar etc.... Bismark would have been at a vast disadvantage not only against an Iowa class but against South Dakota class as well.

The design “flaw” that cost the Bismark its life, is one that a nation more experienced with ship building and naval warfare would not have made.. Germany did not have vast experience compared to other naval powers, so there were fatal weak points in the Bismark’s design, that the designers probably never even thought about.


12 posted on 07/29/2016 7:54:08 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Iowa class, easily, given equal crews.

16 inch vs. 15 inch main guns
9 vs. 8 main guns
deck armor almost twice as thick.
top speed almost twice as fast (38 mph v. 22 mph)


13 posted on 07/29/2016 7:54:39 AM PDT by PAR35
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The North Carolina class of battleships would be a better comparison as they preceded the Iowa class, being launched in 19441 and were the successors of the 1932 Colorado class

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina-class_battleship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado-class_battleship


14 posted on 07/29/2016 7:54:47 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Bismark - Zunk

Iowa - All still afloat

Hmm hard choice D’oh


17 posted on 07/29/2016 7:57:20 AM PDT by butlerweave
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The Iowas were an more up to date design, being bigger, faster, more turret and deck armor, with heavier guns and RADAR.

Ask Kirishima how important that was ...

21 posted on 07/29/2016 8:03:30 AM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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Last time I checked, the Iowa was still afloat. The Bismarck -- not so much so...
23 posted on 07/29/2016 8:06:10 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias; "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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No comparison. Hitler ordered the construction of the H class ships which would have been real contenders but they were never finished.


25 posted on 07/29/2016 8:06:24 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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One problem with his scenario, he has the Iowa class battleships fighting it out with the Bismark (assuming it wasn’t sunk) in 1942. The Iowa class ships did not come on line until 1943 and 1944.


26 posted on 07/29/2016 8:06:44 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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Bismark was sunk by the RN four years before there was a USS Missouri. No contest actually.


27 posted on 07/29/2016 8:07:09 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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Also, their [the Iowa, Class'] guns probably had considerably longer range and their fire control radar was more accurate. It would have been no contest.
29 posted on 07/29/2016 8:08:57 AM PDT by sport
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Bismarck was a tough ship with good guns but she was essentially, IIRC, an enlarged Bayern-class dreadnought of WW1. Germany missed out on a lot of practical battleship development after WW1 which may have greatly benefitted mad scheming but left some things, like awareness of the need for better rudder protection (the thing that actually brought her down).

Imagine if the resources to build and man the largely unsuccessful surface raiders, if you discount the disguised freighters, had gone into more Uboats?

Ironically, half of the Bayern’s four planned ships were not completed so that more Uboats could be built.


32 posted on 07/29/2016 8:12:28 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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I saw a Hollywood Documentary from a couple years ago, featuring the singer Rhianna, about how the Battleship Iowa destroyed a whole bunch of alien space-ships off the coast of Hawaii.

So certainly, the Iowa would have no trouble with the Bismarck.


35 posted on 07/29/2016 8:14:14 AM PDT by PGR88
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