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Once again Jean-Jacques Rousseau's 'Nobel Savage' is shown as fallacious. Pacifism is a civilization invention, probably originating from urban cultures but not noticeable as a societal value until modern times.
1 posted on 07/01/2016 9:22:43 AM PDT by SES1066
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Reading the accounts of the European explorers of the Americas show that the native tribes were in a constant state of war with each other. The Inca had just overpowered their neighbors to consolidate their empire and were embarked on a civil war. The Aztec were constantly raiding for human sacrifice. The North Americans were engaged in numerous inter tribal wars. It’s no wonder they didn’t have time to invent the wheel.


2 posted on 07/01/2016 9:33:20 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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Archaeology has finally laid to rest the idea that earlier human societies were completely peaceful.

LOL! Someone actually thought that???

3 posted on 07/01/2016 9:34:19 AM PDT by Huck
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“INTERTRIBAL WARFARE

Intertribal warfare was intense throughout the Great Plains during the 1700s and 1800s, and archeological data indicate that warfare was present prior to this time. Human skeletons from as early as the Woodland Period (250 B.C. to A.D. 900) show occasional marks of violence, but conflict intensified during and after the thirteenth century, by which time farmers were well established in the Plains. After 1250, villages were often destroyed by fire, and human skeletons regularly show marks of violence, scalping, and other mutilations. Warfare was most intense along the Missouri River in the present-day Dakotas, where ancestors of the Mandans, Hidatsas, and Arikaras were at war with each other, and towns inhabited by as many as 1,000 people were often fortified with ditch and palisade defenses. Excavations at the Crow Creek site, an ancestral Arikara town dated to 1325, revealed the bodies of 486 people–men, women, and children, essentially the town’s entire population–in a mass grave. These individuals had been scalped and dismembered, and their bones showed clear evidence of severe malnutrition, suggesting that violence resulted from competition for food, probably due to local overpopulation and climatic deterioration. Violence among farmers continued from the 1500s through the late 1800s.

Archeological data on war among the nomadic Plains hunters are few, but some nomads were attacking farmers on the edges of the Plains by at least the 1500s. By the eighteenth century, war was common among the nomads, apparently largely because of conflicts over hunting territories.

Prior to the introduction of European horses and guns, Plains warfare took two forms. When equally matched forces confronted each other, warriors sheltered behind large shields, firing arrows; individual warriors came out from behind these lines to dance and taunt their opponents. This mode of combat was largely for show and casualties were light. However, sometimes, large war parties surprised and utterly destroyed small camps or hamlets. Increasing interaction with Europeans from the eighteenth century on changed these patterns dramatically. Massed shield lines could neither stand against mounted warriors nor protect against firearms; this mode of battle largely disappeared with the introduction of horses and guns, although equally matched mounted war parties sometimes used the old tactics. Early access to horses also allowed some groups, notably the Comanches, to overwhelm and displace neighboring tribes who lacked such access. Documentary and archeological evidence indicate that horses and guns contributed mightily to this more destructive mode of Plains warfare, most intensively along the Missouri River.

Raids for horses by small groups of warriors became a primary form of conflict after about 1750, particularly among the nomadic groups. Horse raiders usually entered enemy camps at night to take horses picketed close to their owners. Such raids were dangerous–raiders were killed when caught in the act–and successful raiders often achieved high status. The relation between war and status in the Plains is similarly evident in the practice of counting coup, in which a living enemy (or sometimes a dead enemy) was touched with the hand or a special stick. This act signified ultimate bravery in most Plains tribes and gave a warrior great prestige.

The prestige attached to stealing horses and to counting coup rather than killing has contributed to the view that Plains warfare was a moderately dangerous kind of game driven by individual quests for status rather than “real” war driven by competition for resources. This is misleading. Individual warriors sought status and sometimes avoided killing enemies in battle, but destructive high-casualty warfare was widespread, with documented battles involving thousands of warriors and hundreds of fatalities. Other massacres like that at Crow Creek are known from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and archeological and documentary evidence show great changes in tribal territories resulting from war before and after white contact.

Destructive war in the Plains intensified after contact because of migrations of eastern tribes (the Cheyennes and Lakotas, for example) into the Plains as settlement moved west, because Europeans and Americans manipulated traditional hostilities, and because tribes competed for access to European and American trade, especially in fur-rich areas of the Northern Plains and Prairie Provinces. Contact-period war ended some long-standing hostilities: for example, the Mandans, Hidatsas, and Arikaras, decimated by disease and raiding, banded together for mutual protection during the 1860s. Other hostilities continued, and expanding European Americans exploited them: for example, Crows and Pawnees scouted in military campaigns against the Cheyennes and Lakotas. Intertribal violence in the Plains subsided with the confinement of the tribes to reservations in the late nineteenth century.

Douglas B. Bamforth University of Colorado at Boulder”

http://plainshumanities.unl.edu/encyclopedia/doc/egp.war.023


5 posted on 07/01/2016 9:44:04 AM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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Rest of the story is behind a paywall. googled the article, found another web page with hundreds of pop ups blocking the story.
Stay away from web page wopular. com!


6 posted on 07/01/2016 9:47:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Exactly right.


12 posted on 07/01/2016 10:12:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I recall reading an account written by two French explorers in the 1600s who hired some “peaceful” Indians to guide them and carry their supplies for a journey through lower Canada. One day, the party came across a group of women and children belonging to some other tribe. Like black ants meeting red ants, the Indians immediately dropped what they were carrying and slaughtered the women and children. Then they undressed the dead women and inspected them, comparing them to the women of their own tribe. Finally, they picked up their goods and were ready to move on, without any more formality. The explorers criticized the Indians in their account of the incident not for their cruelty, but for their shiftlessness and the ease by which they were distracted. So much for the noble savage and civilized man.


24 posted on 07/01/2016 12:22:12 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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“To him Phyleus’ spear-famed son came near, and struck him with a cast of his sharp spear at the sinew of the head; and straight through between the teeth the bronze sheared away the tongue at its base. So he fell in the dust, and his teeth bit the cold bronze.”


30 posted on 07/01/2016 1:17:04 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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First one created a profile by discriminating between me and you. If the differences added up to a profile that was objectionable and you had what I wanted or perhaps needed we would go to war.

Discriminating and the profiling are ancient human traits necessary for very life its self.

Those that chose not to discriminate will die


32 posted on 07/01/2016 1:32:38 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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Humans have evolved as hunters/scavengers. It is not much of a stretch to move from there to warfare and ritual killings.

People probably lived peacefully where there are not rival groups nearby and enough to eat, although this is not always guaranteed.

Relentless warfare by well-organized armies and the carnage it brings in their society could make some people search for a ideal society free of them. Usually in distant places. People project their wishes to those mysterious and faraway people.

But it turns out that things are not much different in those societies.

37 posted on 07/01/2016 7:45:02 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater)
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