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How the Red Cross Killed Non-Lethal Weapons
WSJ ^ | 22 June 2016 | GARY ANDERSON

Posted on 06/23/2016 6:37:19 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

One such weapon is the Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System, which uses directed energy—a focused beam of millimeter waves—to make targeted individuals feel that they are burning up, without actually doing harm. The effect ends when the target flees or the weapon is turned off. ...

Regrettably, the human-rights groups were intransigent, and most of us in the military concluded that we shouldn’t spend scarce dollars on systems that would never be used....

Unfortunately, even the existing VMADs weapons will probably never be used and more-capable weapons never developed. Why? Because of complaints by human-rights advocates, who seem to think that it’s better to be dead than discomfited....

Mr. Anderson is a retired Marine Corps colonel who was chief of staff of the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory during the Urban Warrior experiments from 1998-2000

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This pattern is self similar regardless of scale, and widely replicated.

Gotta run, my snail darters are fresh off the grill,best to get them while they are hot!

1 posted on 06/23/2016 6:37:19 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The same do gooder’s that banned DDT and killed millions of people.


2 posted on 06/23/2016 6:40:12 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

PC kills.


3 posted on 06/23/2016 6:41:45 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
The same do gooder’s that banned DDT and killed millions of people.

Important note:

The same do gooder’s that banned DDT and killed millions of black people as was their original intent.

4 posted on 06/23/2016 6:44:56 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Weapons should be lethal.


5 posted on 06/23/2016 6:50:48 AM PDT by sagar
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To: DUMBGRUNT

There’s more to the story than the author indicates.

The microwave beam can cause permanent skin tissue And EYE damage if individuals are exposed to the VMAD’s energy beam for more than 250 seconds, ie: 4+ mins.
Very significant Geneva Convention / Human Rights criminal negligence liability in using this directed energy device that can cause permanent injury indiscriminately on crowds where individuals who are incapacitated, or cannot retreat as directed, can be permanently injured burned / blinded.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/v-mads.htm


6 posted on 06/23/2016 6:58:14 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: sagar

We had a weapon during the Gulf Wars that would find any optics on the battle field and “kill it” with a return laser beam. Problem was, their could be a human at the other end, so we had to disable the laser and use other weapons to “kill” the optics. Better dead than going through life with only on eye.


7 posted on 06/23/2016 7:00:20 AM PDT by impactplayer
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To: DUMBGRUNT

When I was a senior manager for a program that fired flechette rounds, a British Colonel asked if we had any information on whether the flechette coating might cause cancer. One of the civil rights organizations was critical of these rounds since a flechette round that only wounded and remained in the body might cause cancer.

I told him we had a solution that would reduce the latent deaths of cancer by half. When he asked how we did that, I told him we just fired two rounds.


8 posted on 06/23/2016 7:04:13 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: MarchonDC09122009

“The microwave beam can cause permanent skin tissue And EYE damage..”

That being the case, the only answer is to nuke them from orbit.

Some claim 150,000 civilians trapped in Fallujah.
Held by maybe 800 ISIS; they all look alike.

The Russians tried gas in the Moscow theater, not so good.

The Beslan school siege, I cannot even think about.

Columbine went on for an hour.

Orlando went on for three hours?

They are here and it is getting worse.


9 posted on 06/23/2016 7:18:47 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

What a bunch of stupid garbage.

And bring back the tri-point bayonet.


10 posted on 06/23/2016 7:21:39 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: DugwayDuke

As with so many other things, beehive rounds scared the hell out of me!
That said, they worked well on open ground!!

Thank you for the help.


11 posted on 06/23/2016 7:23:39 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

If Trump becomes POTUS he will ignore this idiocy.


12 posted on 06/23/2016 7:32:59 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/mar/17/army-drops-bayonet-drills-in-training-revamp/

IIRC some Ak’s had a triangular bayonet.
I guy I served with had a scar across his belly, from one.

He dropped a frag into a hole, thought it was clear, until a VC jumped out and stuck him.

Must have been a sump.


13 posted on 06/23/2016 7:35:54 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

They were banned way back when the Geneva stuff started. That’s why we never see them post-ACW.

Damn shame. Nothing scarier than an 18-in multi-blade through the body.


14 posted on 06/23/2016 7:59:01 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The only diff btwn a muslim jihadi and a muslim hostage is who is currently holding the gun/bomb.


15 posted on 06/23/2016 8:21:39 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

Then just go for the vomit weapon. An LED incapacitator.


16 posted on 06/23/2016 8:23:09 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Edmund/Liawatha 2016. If you are going to lie, lie big.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I will side with both Karl Von Clausewitz and Sun Tsu in asserting that the people you are fighting generally need to be dead not incapacitated.


17 posted on 06/23/2016 8:26:24 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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people you are fighting

YES!

BUT see partial list in post #6 of noncombatants.

The times they are a changin...

18 posted on 06/23/2016 8:56:10 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Should be #9, not 6.


19 posted on 06/23/2016 8:59:24 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I hear the Geneva stuff often, but it is hard to pin down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/13b8zt/triangular_bayonets_banned_disliked_or_what/

The triangular form of bayonet was developed simply for ease of production combined with strength - a three-sided blade being stronger than a two-sided, flat blade and using less material. The triangular blade causes no more blood loss than a wound made by any other bayonet of comparative size.
The screwdriver point, mentioned in this thread, was developed to easier penetrate bone than a sharp point.
For further info check out my book “Guide to Bayonets of the World” at http://www.wbdpublications.co.uk/11-bayonets/index.htm


20 posted on 06/23/2016 9:07:53 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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