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To: PAR35; x; C19fan
PAR35: "After Britain backed France in the First Moroccan Crisis which almost kicked off a European war that no one was really ready for, the Germans didn’t have much choice other than starting to arm with the Brits as prospective enemies."

The First Moroccan Crisis was in 1905, seven years after Germany began its navy buildup programs, in 1898.
And, that German buildup was not based on any particular event, but rather on Germany's overall desire to be recognized as a Great Power with global reach.
They thought a ratio of 2/3 German to British battleships would be sufficient for that purpose.

Nor did the Brits immediately respond to German naval production, so long as it appeared relatively small, and with other priorities focusing British attention.
But by 1909 the German threat did seem foremost, and Brits did respond with a naval buildup of their own.

It is said that sometime after 1912, Germans gave up their efforts to match British battleships and instead switched to U-boat production, of which there were 48 in service or under construction in August 1914.
And by early 1914 the German Navy's biggest enemy (as is so often the case) was not the British Navy, but rather the German Army, which needed funding for its own buildup, thus reducing the Navy's budget.

73 posted on 05/22/2016 1:12:51 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

But that sam epriod overlaps the rebellions, then the Duma, then the re-emergence of the Russian czar; and thecontinued failures of the Turkish “sultans” to run their country as it fell apart.

Place a dying Russian empire north of Turkey, a split and warring Balkans next to it between Germany-Austria and the Mediterranean ...

The world had a short fuze. Or a long fuze - I believe that is the history of the last 20 years before the war from the Balkan (NOT German-British!) point of view.


77 posted on 05/22/2016 3:13:51 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: BroJoeK

Let’s go back a bit earlier and look at the pre-Dreadnaughts

In 1889, Britain laid down 3 battleships, Germany 0
1890 Britain 6, Germany 4
1891-94 Britain 7, Germany 0
1895 Britain 3, Germany 1
1896 Britain 2, Germany 1
1897 Britain 3, Germany 0

1898 Britain 5, Germany 3
1899 Britain 7, Germany 3
1900 Britain 1, Germany 2
1901 Britain 2, Germany 2
1902 Britain 7, Germany 3
1903 Britain 1, Germany 1
1904 Britain 2, Germany 4
1905 Britain 2, Germany 1

1898 - 1905
Britain 27, Germany 19


Dreadnaughts

Program year

1905-06 Britain 1, Germany 0
06-07 Britain 3, Germany 2
07-08 Britain 3, Germany 2
08-09 Britain 1, Germany 3
09-10 Britain 6, Germany 3
10-11 Britain 4, Germany 3
11-12 Britain 4, Germany 3
12-13 Britain 5, Germany 1
13-14 Britain 5, Germany 2

While the British did authorize a large number of battleships in the 09-10 fiscal year, it was still below the numbers laid down in 99 or 02, and does not seem to match up with any similar increase in efforts from the Germans.


78 posted on 05/22/2016 5:28:42 PM PDT by PAR35
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