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To: Roos_Girl; bigtoona

Peculiar that nowhere is this lenghty piece, so lavish in its praise for the Spartans, is there any mention of the enslaved Helot population upon whose backs the supposedly laudable Spartan culture was so brutally perched.


3 posted on 05/19/2016 11:43:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Everyone had slaves back then. What’s important about a civilization is not things it has in common with everyone else, it’s what’s different about it, for good or bad.

I read the book, it was pretty good. But I highly recommend Pressfield’s “The Afghan Campiagn” about Alexander the Great’s war there. It really is very relevant to today, and helps understand a lot about Muslim tribal culture which was there long before Islam codified it under Sharia.


5 posted on 05/20/2016 2:15:09 AM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: BenLurkin

IIRC, the Spartans, in the end, threw in with the ancient enemy, the Persians, the same enemy we face today.


9 posted on 05/20/2016 3:28:44 AM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ $0.05 cents a can.)
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To: BenLurkin

Didn’t the Athenians own slaves too? Almost every nation on earth had slaves, it was normal at the time and they were not all black of course..but thats another conversation.


10 posted on 05/20/2016 4:28:25 AM PDT by bigtoona (The media, GOPe, dems, commie Pope, hate Trump. He is the destroyer we've been waiting for!)
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To: BenLurkin
I read Gates of Fire around the time 300 came out, and while elements of Spartan society were laudable, overall they were psychos.

They certainly knew how to make war, in their time, and the focus on courage is a mirror of their study of Phobos/Fear, how to master it in themselves and produce it in others. Excellent book.

As manhood-affirming alien warrior societies go, I might prefer this one ;)

12 posted on 05/20/2016 5:45:53 AM PDT by BiggerTigger
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To: BenLurkin

I don’t know much about this era. Were the Spartans the only culture that bad slaves or was it a fairly common thing?


14 posted on 05/20/2016 6:51:30 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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