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To: Nifster

LIncoln had no intention except to force the South into War. LIncoln instituted the income tax, that was illegal. LIncoln suspended habeus corpus that was illegal. One can find over ten actions he took that were illegal under the laws and struck down by the courts. He further condoned the pillaging and rape by Sherman of property and person on Sherman’s March through GA and SC. If there are two people who should never have a monument or honor it is Lincoln and Sherman.


37 posted on 05/13/2016 1:48:51 PM PDT by georgiarat (Obama, providing incompetence since Day One!)
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To: georgiarat

Am reasonably sure that the average Japanese citizen view of United States actions in WWII were similar to that of those in the South after the Civil War. General Sherman’s view of war was that “War is the solution that our enemies have chosen, I say lets give them all they want.” That was the national view of how we needed to deal with the Japanese. The South started a war, they got all the real war that they could handle.


79 posted on 05/13/2016 3:55:09 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: georgiarat

What utter nonsense. Did you study history under the Kennedy brothers?


87 posted on 05/13/2016 5:42:53 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: georgiarat

LIncoln had no intention except to force the South into War. LIncoln instituted the income tax, that was illegal. LIncoln suspended habeus corpus that was illegal. One can find over ten actions he took that were illegal under the laws and struck down by the courts. He further condoned the pillaging and rape by Sherman of property and person on Sherman’s March through GA and SC. If there are two people who should never have a monument or honor it is Lincoln and Sherman.
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Agree. Well said


133 posted on 05/14/2016 7:10:25 AM PDT by patriot08 (5th generation Texan (girl type) ANGRY? REFUSE TO VOTE? HELLO HILLARY!)
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To: georgiarat; Nifster; Bull Snipe; patriot08; central_va; GraceG; Arthur McGowan; rockrr
georgiarat: "LIncoln had no intention except to force the South into War."

Rubbish.
In fact, Lincoln announced in his Inaugural on March 4, 1861 that secessionists could not have war unless they themselves started it.
Then Lincoln continued previous President Buchanan's policy of attempting to resupply Fort Sumter.
So the decision to use Lincoln's resupply mission as their excuse to start Civil War by launching their long prepared assault on Fort Sumter, that decision was strictly Jefferson Davis & company.

Davis was not "forced" to do anything.
Instead, he chose war, freely, willingly and indeed eagerly, for the obvious reason that he expected to win it.

georgiarat: " LIncoln instituted the income tax, that was illegal.
LIncoln suspended habeus corpus that was illegal.
One can find over ten actions he took that were illegal under the laws and struck down by the courts."

More rubbish.
First, since all of Lincoln's actions were in response to the Confederacy's declared war against the United States, they are allowed by the Constitution and were approved by Congress.
None were "struck down" by the courts.

georgiarat: "He further condoned the pillaging and rape by Sherman of property and person on Sherman’s March through GA and SC."

Setting aside all false accusations against Sherman, the behavior of Sherman's troops was not materially different from most Confederate behavior during their invasions into Union states & territories.
They took what they needed, they destroyed anything of military value too big to take and they left the civilian population unharmed.

Further, your false accusations of "rape" against Union troops are more than matched by the factual, indeed undenied, Confederate kidnappings of free-blacks in Northern states, returning them to slavery in the South.

Bottom line: it's sometimes claimed that Union generals like Sherman started "total war" which reached its ultimate expression during WWII, killing tens of millions of civilians.
The reality is that what Sherman or Confederate troops did is in no way comparable to the mass slaughters of other wars.

146 posted on 05/14/2016 11:34:43 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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