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To: Bull Snipe
Bull Snipe: "Exactly where in the Constitution is the article that permits states to secede.
That is why it would should have gone to the Supreme Court."

Founders Original Intent.
On this I follow Lincoln, who followed Madison, who expressed most clearly Founders' Original Intent:

Summarizing, Founders understood two acceptable conditions for disunion:

  1. Mutual consent, reasonably translated as approval by Congress. That's what Lincoln believed.

  2. Material breech of compact, such as "usurpations" or "abuses" having the same effect.
    Reasonably, this could be established by Supreme Court ruling.

But neither condition existed in December 1860 when South Carolina first declared its secession.
That means it, in effect, declared secession "at pleasure", which Madison says is not legitimate.

171 posted on 05/15/2016 5:33:10 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

I am no expert, but it seems reasonable to assume that the several States who have agreed to be “United States”, if one or more decides they no longer want to be “united”, that ALL states would then dissolve the *current* union. After which, several different states could *reunite* and form a NEW United States. Theoretically, instead of civil war, the United States could have effectively split into 2 or more “countries”, or the states could have remained separate.


173 posted on 05/15/2016 5:42:12 AM PDT by visualops (It's the majority of the American people and Trump against the enemies of the republic - Windflier)
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To: BroJoeK

Thanks


177 posted on 05/15/2016 9:17:38 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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