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Crimes/Accidents Committed While High On Pot in Wa/Or/Co-Can States Be Named Co-Defendant?

Posted on 05/12/2016 8:24:11 AM PDT by Be Careful

Since these states are legislating by usurping Federal law, can they be held responsible for creating/enabling an environment that contributed to an accident or a crime?


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To: T-Bone Texan

If someone smokes a joint near the state border the wind could blow the smoke across the line.... INTERSTATE COMMERCE!!!


61 posted on 05/12/2016 10:45:10 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: fella
"...My family has generations of dealing with addictive behavior. ..."

Mine too!

But I am talking about actual addictive substances like heroin and meth, not some weak-@ssed plant that has been used as a minor palliative and anti-inflammatory for thousands of years.

62 posted on 05/12/2016 10:45:47 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: drunknsage

Dude, you had me at “cuckservatism”.


63 posted on 05/12/2016 10:47:04 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: IamConservative

Yes, but such tests still can’t determine if you are intoxicated. All they can say is if you may have consumed marijuana sometime in the last 2-6 weeks or so. Obviously, you don’t stay intoxicated for 2-6 weeks after ingesting marijuana, so the tests can’t actually tell us that.


64 posted on 05/12/2016 10:48:30 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: T-Bone Texan

You’re not fooling him... he saw it in a Cheech & Chong movie so it must be true!


65 posted on 05/12/2016 10:49:40 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: cassiusking
"...Then new breed of skunk weed is making 15% of people psychotic ..."

Yeah, they said that 25 years ago too. At that rate, 100% of all people who have ever tried pot should be flipping out, left and right. The massive carnage should be on the evening news.

Sorry, I just don't see it.

66 posted on 05/12/2016 10:49:46 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: thoughtomator

My thought on the irrational hatred and fear of pot is that those folks are mostly older and were subject to the gov’t propaganda back in the day.

They never heard of a conflicting viewpoint on pot, only the party line.

So prevalent was this propaganda that these folks abandon their critical thinking and just go with the flow.

To analyze the subtleties between addictive hard drugs and pot is just too hard. They fall back on what they know, and what they know is (in Phil Hartman’s Caveman Lawyer voice) “Drugs bad!”.


67 posted on 05/12/2016 11:00:12 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: thoughtomator
All alcohol was once illegal under Federal law.

Ah, yes: But that required a Constitutional amendment!

I know of no Constitutional amendment denying citizens the right to smoke marijuana.

Regards,

68 posted on 05/12/2016 11:02:46 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: drunknsage
State’s rights only counts when it’s things I like. If it’s something I dont like, then screw states rights and Im all for the almighty power of federal gov.

Lol. I've been arguing this for some time. The truth is that Conservatives are perfectly ok with big gubmint, so long as it's THEIR big gubmint. Hypocritical? Absolutely. And people wonder what's happened to the Conservative movement. Lol. SMDH.

69 posted on 05/12/2016 11:08:08 AM PDT by dware (I don't care what bathroom they use, as long as it's in the nuthouse, where they belong)
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To: Boogieman
"...Obviously, you don’t stay intoxicated for 2-6 weeks after ingesting marijuana..."

But I can try!

I kid.

As an aside: They are developing new strains of pot constantly. CO requires analysis of them, because they now categorize pot as a food product (an "ingestible"). The result is that we know the specifics of the actual components on pot. The THC is merely one of many components; many of these components have much interest to the medical community, specifically the terpenes Linalool, b-Caryophylene, Pinene, and Myrcine.

These terpenes are all present in other foods and plants; Linalool, for instance is the component of lavender that gives it its' relaxing properties. Myrcine is present in Mangoes. Pinene, big surprise, is present in pine trees.

The crux: soon there's going to be pot with zero THC. It is coming; it is inevitable due to market forces (people want it).

My query to FReepers who are anti pot: Will your hostility to pot transfer to pot with no THC? Because it will still make people feel good, even without the THC.

70 posted on 05/12/2016 11:15:27 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: T-Bone Texan

I agree. These people were brainwashed during the height of the War on Drugs era.

I was too. But I figured out the truth decades ago and it’s maddening to see people still “stuck on stupid” when it comes to drugs.

Even more so when you figure that a lot of these people have a medicine cabinet full of drugs and actually do more drugs than the people they are condemning!


71 posted on 05/12/2016 11:24:47 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: T-Bone Texan

No they did not say that 25 years ago. The studies about skunk and psychosis is less than a year old from the UK.

You are not reading about it because the Big Money is keeping the deaths quiet. Grown fathers with great families are eating too much brownie and blowing the wife’s brains out in front of the kids. First time users are jumpiing off of roofs.

http://www.poppot.org/2016/05/11/marijuana-death-yes/


72 posted on 05/12/2016 11:25:03 AM PDT by cassiusking
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To: cassiusking

Ever hear the phrase, “hold muh beer and watch this”?

Irresponsible people are going to be irresponsible.

Making the same argument that the gun grabbers make deserves the same response.


73 posted on 05/12/2016 11:26:38 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Be Careful

2 words - Illegal Immigration.

I read down 25 responses and no one else said it. It’s real, the raping, the pillaging and the plundering. I’m a Medical MJ patient in Montana. I think you have your priorities a little messed up.


74 posted on 05/12/2016 11:33:24 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump/2016 - The (R) Nominee! Good morning Mr. President!)
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To: cassiusking
So, 1 mentally ill "first time user" jumped off a balcony, and 1 Mentally ill father shot his wife.

That is not evidence. That is anecdotal, and anecdotal evidence does not have statistical value.

The irrational hysteria about "stronger and stronger pot" that would make people "psychotic" was around when I was in high school, 30 years ago.

It just doesn't work that way. There are only so many receptors in your brain; after those receptors are full it is not possible to get any "higher", which is why we never, ever read about people overdosing on pot.

75 posted on 05/12/2016 11:36:22 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: thoughtomator

Its not a matter of irresponsibility. Its a matter of 15% of heavy skunk users going Schizo. Some people are not affected but a small minority are and more research is needed before we start selling brownies at the 7/11.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/15/cannabis-scientists-call-for-action-amid-mental-health-concerns

I know from first hand experience too. A cousin who has been smoking his old fashioned homegrown for 40 years tried 2 hits of some super skunk and he went fetal for 4 hours. He will never smoke it again.

Whats that tell you?


76 posted on 05/12/2016 11:37:15 AM PDT by cassiusking
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To: thoughtomator

I hear you, the oxycontin epidemic alone has far greater implications than pot ever will.


77 posted on 05/12/2016 11:37:50 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: cassiusking

That he learned his lesson.

People have similar reactions to alcohol; to prescription meds, to a variety of substances. Yet we manage to survive hand in hand with them.

And, of course, you are being a bit overdramatic, selling brownies at the 7/11.

Oh my goodness.


78 posted on 05/12/2016 11:55:30 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: T-Bone Texan

Not to self: Always edit your posts to avoid unintentionally humorous interpretations.


79 posted on 05/12/2016 12:00:15 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: cassiusking

The key problem here is that police and prisons are not the main ingredients of a Constitutional solution to the your concerns.

Also that your concerns are massively overblown and, if genuine, ought by the numbers to be directed primarily towards users of alcohol, which is - other than the pharmaceutical industry - the main substance abuse issue this country has.


80 posted on 05/12/2016 12:01:59 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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