Posted on 04/09/2016 7:04:19 AM PDT by conservativejoy
Your ignorance of the law is exceeded only by your self-confidence in misstating it and extends to the Constitution, there is no constitutional provision that you are innocent until proven guilty. There is a law in every state that imposes a burden on the fiduciary to prove the probity of his accounts.
Your logic is as flawed as your math.
That's as far as I needed to read.
More astroturf from GOPe.
He has also written and gotten passed legislation giving the Ft. Hood victims Purple Heart status and benefits.
Are we to praise Cruz for doing the job he is getting paid to do?
Again
PROVIDE THE PROOF that he is stealing
That is all that is required here
So far, you have nothing
In order to accuse someone of stealing, they must have actually stole something. All you have is just sour grapes because Trump is spanking Cruz so badly.
This story provides proof of nothing, in fact three charities even refused their interviews so their totals are not included as well. We have no evidence of any wrong doing. Just accusations from the Anti-Trump crew.
Again provide actual proof, a prosecutor can not put forth a case against a citizen with zero evidence. Political posturing is not proof.
Do you have any evidence that the pledges have paid and that 3.4 million is un accounted for? Did you know that article even admits that 3 charities refused to communicate with them? This story is a hit piece with zero evidence of anything
No, I have no such evidence. I am guessing maybe you meant to ask that of UnwashedPeasant per his post 50?
[nathenbedford]: Let the open-minded reader of this exchange judge which of us has presented facts and which of us has resorted to ad hominem to avoid those facts.
Now I have not read the whole exchange, but after contemptuously dismissing those who disagree with a large brush it may not be the best time to make such an appeal.
One does not enter this fray on behalf of the Constitution and conservative values without being aware of the daunting numerical odds generated by a Trump Swarm. My replies are made not with a forlorn expectation of convincing cultists but in the hope that a few open-minded lurkers will think for themselves.
You need not read this exchange in its whole, you can read virtually any exchange in this forum and you will see the same syndrome: the Cruz supporter offers facts and reasons from those facts but the Trump Swarm carpet bombs with vituperation much of which is aimed at the messenger in order to divert the open-minded reader from the appalling realities of Donald Trump. You will see them stand history and logic on their heads and embrace fantastic conspiracies. You will see Philistines ape Trump's boorishness and vulgarity.
I do not enter a once great conservative political forum to discuss the weather, I am here to persuade the persuadable. I am motivated to do so out of self respect and out of concern for the fate of my children, my grandchildren, and my great-grandchild. I reproduce below a reply I posted some time ago explaining my opposition to Donald Trump and why despite the certainty of personal insult I soldier on. Although it brutally exposes the character of Donald Trump, the Bill of particulars is not made cavalierly, I am prepared to defend every single one. My comments follow the initial sentence:
General Rhetorical Commet: Hate seeing people go after each other like this. Just ignore it.
I have tried throughout to avoid attacking fellow conservatives although I have vehemently opposed Donald Trump. I have limited my criticisms on the whole to the candidate and not to his supporters individually unless it was necessary to defend myself, which I always undertake to do with vigor. However, immediately before receiving your advice which normally would be well taken, I got this from jpsb:
How does it feel to be an establishment stooge in bed with Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, Lindsey Gram, Paul Ryan, Carly Fiorina, Nicky Haley, Golden Sachs, The Club for Growth and the entire globalist GOPe mega donor class against those of us fighting with Trump to preserve the USA?
This comment alone would not provoke me except that it comes in a train of personal invective. At some point one has to respond to the pure venom incessantly directed at anyone who dares oppose Donald Trump. I choose to do so now by observing that there can be no reconciliation, at least in the primary season, to Donald Trump.
Let me tell you what motivates me to oppose Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is a bully, a coward, a mountebank, a narcissist, a serial liar and an existential threat to conservatism. He is unworthy of the highest office in the world but I have committed to vote for him in the event that he secures the nomination only because his opponents consist of a felonious bitch and a self described socialist. Trump is marginally better than a Saul Alinsky felon and a self-confessed Marxist, even so he is an ignoramus concerning the Constitution and a risky psyche to put in charge of hydrogen bombs. He Is an economic troglodyte who is liable to pitch the country into a Great Depression with ham-handed trade wars.
He has been on both sides of every issue dear to conservatives which means he has at one time or another been wrong on every issue. He is entirely unencumbered by a coherent political philosophy and so rebounds and ricochets from issue to issue and from side to side on issues on an ad hoc basis choosing in stentorian tones that which he in his selfishness perceives will advance Donald Trump. An opportunist without any party loyalty, Donald Trump has been a Democrat, an Independent and now claims to be a Republican. His biography is replete with scandal, social climbing, sleaze, divorce, bankruptcy, fraud, bribery of officials, association with known felons and mafioso, hiring of illegal immigrants and importing of foreign goods for resale in America. Donald Trump made part of his fortune with government deals working inside the system but now shamelessly claims to be an outsider. The man is the walking embodiment of hypocrisy on the hoof. The Donald is an insufferable comb-over egomaniac whose repugnant personality will hinder him from serving the domestic causes you think he believes in and his obnoxious egoism will only antagonize our allies as well is our enemies abroad.
Rather than edify and inspire as the leader of a great people and a great nation should, he is a vulgarian who degrades us all and humiliates us in the eyes of the world. He is not just a blight on our politics but he is a blight on our culture, our civility, and our self-respect. He is intellectually shallow and emotionally petulant. He encourages violence and inspires the very worst behavior from his supporters who ape his manifold character flaws and attack ad hominem Trump's critics rather than deal forthrightly like grown-ups with real and serious issues which confront us.
His very success, as limited as it is demographically in the primary season, nevertheless is harmful to conservatism because it's tells recently elected earnest young conservatives that they cannot trust the conservative base to stand by them if they risk their brand-new careers to oppose the powerful, elitist establishment. They will look at what the sunshine conservative Trump supporters have done to Ted Cruz and, if they are smart, they will play a selfish game.
Donald Trump will lead us into a devastating defeat in the general election because he has antagonized virtually every recognized voting segment of our society with the possible exception of some portion of white males. He misappropriates the record of Ronald Reagan. He pretends that winning 40% in primaries of a Republican Party that consists at best of 40% of the electorate is somehow indicative of an ability to overcome in a general election the worst negatives in modern memory, making him the most hated presidential candidate of the modern era. If nominated he will almost certainly lose the election and generate devastating losses down ticket in his wake enervating conservatism perhaps forever. If he somehow wins the election, the conservative movement might find itself much the worse than if he had lost.
I oppose Donald Trump to maintain my self-respect.
Difficult for you in the best of times I'm sure. Go ahead back Mitt's sock puppet and the GOPe's newest slut.
Clearly, eloquently and persuasively presented. My sincere compliments to you, both for your ability concisely present a powerful case against Trump, and for your courage and willingness to do so in the face of the certain onslaught of venom and vituperation that will come your way from the brainwashed Trumpkin hordes...
Megyn Kelly was not a moderator, she had an agenda, which was exhibited in a previous debate. Her agenda was, using opposition research, to take down Trump. Under the guise of a debate question, she was planning to attack. Trump was wise to avoid the debate, since she was clearly biased.
I see the Donald as flawed, but not as flawed as you see him. But I see some good in him as well that I don't see in anyone else running.
His flaws are certainly mostly in the areas of pride. And it is not at all a good flaw to have in regard to one's immortal soul. I found it amusing how he said he was proud to be a Christian for example. It did not make me angry though, just amused--being that the point of being Christian is to accept God's grace with humility.
Another flaw that is obvious is he gets childish with losing his temper...to be honest so do a lot of us, but he is one of those that doesn't hide his outbursts when things don't go his way.
Trump is not really a conservative the way Cruz is. He does not come as someone with a defined ideology. Also unlike Cruz, his flaws are obvious. The outside of the cup is not clean as it were.
Up until the incident in Chicago, I was going to vote Cruz in the primary. But now I am certainly going to vote for Trump (in regard to the general election I will vote whomever the nominee is--even if its Genghis Khan). When violent thugs attacked people trying to go to his rally I watched with disgust the media making the violence about Trump and his followers...I did not expect and I was appalled and shocked to watch Cruz, after acknowledging the thugs were in the wrong blame Trump in part. That floored me, and I had to abandon my support of Cruz.
Jesus tells a parable about a man on the dangerous road from Jerusalem to Jericho, who was robbed beaten and left almost dead. Some very upstanding citizens came by, people proud of their standing in the community, and did not help the man because it was easier to just walk on past. But one of those highly despised Samaritans came by and went through a lot of trouble and expense to help the man and put him up in a hotel and paid his bill.
Cruz showed me which kind of man he was.
I have looked into Trump's past. Yeah I see a lot of ego. I see some loose living. And many vices...but he is the kind that stops for the man. And that to me is all the difference.
You describe Cruz’ reaction to the incident at the Trump rally in Chicago as a turning point. I catalog for you the statements of Donald Trump which justify the criticism made by Ted Cruz. Against all of these statements which are deplorable, consider that Ted Cruz made a single statement.. Why are so many people so ready to excuse Donald Trump’s multiple statements condoning and even encouraging violence but condemn Cruz for a single statement deploring violence and the encouragement of violence?
Here are Trump’s thoughtless statements encouraging violence:
1.Trump, who encourages his supporters to surround and shout down protesters with chants of “USA,” has openly pined for “the old days,” when, he says, noisy demonstrators would be carried out of a political rally on stretchers.
2.“I’d like to punch him in the face,” he told a Las Vegas casino rally crowd last month when one protester was ejected.
3.As protesters have been led away by police or security, Trump has said he wishes he could punch them in the face, or that in the old days protesters went out on a stretcher, or that someone should “knock the crap out of them” and that he would pay legal fees for someone who did.
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/14/470375065/a-campaign-on-the-brink-donald-trump-and-the-intersection-of-outrage-and-violenc and
4. “The audience hit back and that’s what we need a little bit more of.”
5.”Part of the problem ... is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore.”
6. the candidate bemoaned the fact that there were no longer “consequences” to protesting and insisted the “country has to toughen up.”
7.“You know, part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?”
8.”In the good old days this doesn’t happen because they used to treat them very, very rough.”
9.“They used to treat them very, very rough, and when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily,” he said, before lamenting “we’ve become weak.”
10.”Try not to hurt him. If you do, I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it.”
11.”If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously.” He again promised to pay for any legal fees associated with an assault.
12.After a Black Lives Matter activist was kicked, punched and, he said, called the N-word at a campaign event in Birmingham, Alabama, in November, Trump expressed his approval.
“Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing,”
13.”I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will.”
http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#tjGh.egBFiqY
2.“I’d like to punch him in the face,” he told a Las Vegas casino rally crowd last month when one protester was ejected.
I found the video of him saying it, including the context, and found the accusation to be absolute nonsense, and another example of blaming the victim.
The "protester" came to a peaceful political assembly to disrupt it. He threw punches and behaved like a violent animal.
At this point, it should be clear, hopefully even to somebody that despises Trump, that Trump did not provoke the violence.
This was far from the first time such an assault took place, and security removed the guy. While the thousands of peaceful Trump supporters waited for this vile violent distraction to be removed. Trump commented on what people were feeling. He said that the thing we have to do is be patient and let security handle it, but it would feel good to be able to respond in kind.
His message was 100 percent clear.
1) Do NOT be violent, like the opposition is.
2) He can relate to the desire to be violent in turn.
To equate this to him provoking violence is ridiculous and leaving the context out is pretty close to lying and slandering good people who have to put up with this crap.
It makes me wonder what his critics will do in their spare time. Perhaps blame somebody who admitted they have an emotional impulse to punch the guy that assaulted their wife?
The idea of not just being peaceful, and not just promoting a peaceful reaction (as people are always instructed clearly to do at Trump's rallies) in the face of an onslaught of viscous vile and violent attack, but now blaming people from even being able to express that it would feel nice to be able to give back a fraction of what they endure?
And for this I am to blame Trump for the violence???
Forget it. That is a disgusting and cowardly way to view it, and I will not.
It is ok to feel like punching somebody who deserves it in the nose. It is not ok to do, but it is ok to have the impulse. And it is ok for people to talk without it being phony and plastic. Even if there are those that will twist what is said and misrepresent it.
No sir. Give me the real person, not the plastic one.
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